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Old 07-25-20, 09:50 AM
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Zero offset seat posts

I was about to sell my Breezer Venturi when a fellow member suggested I try a zero offset seatpost. The change in comfort and power were drastic. I'm wondering whether it would be even better with something more than a zero offset. Does such a thing exist?
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
I was about to sell my Breezer Venturi when a fellow member suggested I try a zero offset seatpost. The change in comfort and power were drastic. I'm wondering whether it would be even better with something more than a zero offset. Does such a thing exist?
Isn't the effect of a zero offset seatpost just to move the saddle forward? Couldn't you just move your saddle forward on the zero offset post, unless it's already as far forward as it can go?
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Yeah. Just turn your setback seatpost around.

But that looks super, super ugly.

And it might position you so far forward that you fall over the first time you try to take a corner at speed.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Isn't the effect of a zero offset seatpost just to move the saddle forward? Couldn't you just move your saddle forward on the zero offset post, unless it's already as far forward as it can go?
A zero offset supposedly increases the seat tube angle by 2 degrees. The saddle is already as forward as it can go. Recall this bike has a very long ETT (57.5cm) for a size 54cm.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
Yeah. Just turn your setback seatpost around.

But that looks super, super ugly.

And it might position you so far forward that you fall over the first time you try to take a corner at speed.
That's what I thought, but it turns all the seat posts I have can't level a saddle when turned around the other way. Are there seat posts designed to level saddles no matter the direction?
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Old 07-25-20, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
That's what I thought, but it turns all the seat posts I have can't level a saddle when turned around the other way. Are there seat posts designed to level saddles no matter the direction?
Yep. Lots of aero bikes with aero seatposts have that. My Felt has that. Can run the seatpost in either position.
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There's this...

https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-s...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Thanks

Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
Yep. Lots of aero bikes with aero seatposts have that. My Felt has that. Can run the seatpost in either position.
So any aero seat post can be run in either position/direction or just some? I'm looking for keywords I can search for when buying.

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Thanks.
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Pro bike fitters would not recommend this. The saddle should be back far enough to keep the weight off your hands. The exception might be a bike with a 72.5 STA. I've always used a 25mm setback post. If I moved the saddle 20mm forward, the stem should be made 20mm longer, otherwise you're moving the saddle to correct a reach problem, which also wrong.
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Pro bike fitters would not recommend this. The saddle should be back far enough to keep the weight off your hands. The exception might be a bike with a 72.5 STA. I've always used a 25mm setback post. If I moved the saddle 20mm forward, the stem should be made 20mm longer, otherwise you're moving the saddle to correct a reach problem, which also wrong.
It depends a bit on your body type. I find a set-back seatpost closes up my hip angle way too much - i ride zero setback seatposts and am perfectly well balanced. I suspect my long legs/short torso may have something to do with it.
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Originally Posted by guadzilla View Post
It depends a bit on your body type. I find a set-back seatpost closes up my hip angle way too much - i ride zero setback seatposts and am perfectly well balanced. I suspect my long legs/short torso may have something to do with it.
I have one bike with a zero setback seatpost, but it's got a 72.5 STA and I have shortish thighs, so that's a bad match. My bikes with 73 or 73.5 STAs, the saddle's all the way forward on setback posts.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
I have one bike with a zero setback seatpost, but it's got a 72.5 STA and I have shortish thighs, so that's a bad match. My bikes with 73 or 73.5 STAs, the saddle's all the way forward on setback posts.
To what end? Knee over pedal, or some other criteria? I pay no attention to the idea of knee over pedal and neither do some of the most respected fitters, like Steve Hogg. I ride a fairly small frame and those tend to have 74-74.5 degree STAs, Each degree is only about 10mm.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
To what end? Knee over pedal, or some other criteria? I pay no attention to the idea of knee over pedal and neither do some of the most respected fitters, like Steve Hogg. I ride a fairly small frame and those tend to have 74-74.5 degree STAs, Each degree is only about 10mm.
KOPS, because it works for me. Funny thing is, I'm working off a fitting that was done...Oh, about 22 years ago now, but that fit is comfortable for any distance I've been capable of riding, allows me to spin freely, climb without knee pain, and descend as fast as I can go without panicking. So, I replicate it on every bike. If the saddle's too far back I can't get comfy.
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Keep in mind this is the notorious Breezer Venturi OP is trying to make rideable. Nothing "normal" applies....
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I ride a 56 at 177cm due to a long torso.
My fitter also has me setup on a 0 offset post with saddle forward. I have a gorilla frame with very short femurs. This setup is required to get me close to KOPS.
I feel fine on it.

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Your knee could be 2cm behind KOP and it wouldn't hurt a thing.
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KOPS is just a starting point for weight distribution between hands, saddle, & feet. There are countless examples of other fits where KOPS doesn't apply either because of the bikes intended use, be it maybe a couple of miles at a time like a dutchie, or some styles of mountain biking, or because the weigh is not bourne by the sit bones like the fit on a recumbent or by elbows & shoulders like a TT bike.

But there are also countless examples of where it *is* an appropriate starting point. Road bikes.

In any case, to get back on the OP's question: RedShift Sports makes a dual position seat post that will move your seat 5cm forward to a TT position & up an appropriate amount for proper distance to maintain the same leg extension. Effectively it temporarily converts your bike to a TT bike & back again in an instant.

Most people pair the dual position seat post with aero bars because that is what it is designed to mate to. But I just use it to strongly stay in the drops for extended periods or to fight wind & can stay there until my neck, shoulders/arms get tired of holding up my torso. Then I flip back to the standard KOPS road position & carry on further on down the trail & faster on that segment than I was before.

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Maybe these can be merged. How Can I Make This Bike Fit? Breezer Venturi
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Maybe ask Yoda?

Fit you I will ...

The bike is fine. Im just bw sizes with it.

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Keep in mind this is the notorious Breezer Venturi OP is trying to make rideable. Nothing "normal" applies....
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If you need the saddle further forward than what you can get with a zero setback post something is wrong.
What is your saddle height and set back from the BB?
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It depends a bit on your body type. I find a set-back seatpost closes up my hip angle way too much - i ride zero setback seatposts and am perfectly well balanced. I suspect my long legs/short torso may have something to do with it.
I agree. Zero setback can certainly help improve weight distribution for those of us with long legs/short torsos. Some of the ideas presented in Bontrager's KOPs-debunking article on establishing center of gravity align with this

Critics who believe the function of zero setback is to control reach (bring saddle closer to one's bars) are entirely missing the point

Much of the Quick Step team, including Alaphilippe, have been using zero setback for several years

Also works well for shorter riders according to physiotherapist Bastian Marks
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There's also this excellent Hogg article on unweighting the upper body through proper setback... which a few other posters seemed to be referencing (the longer the torso, the more weight is projected forward requiring greater setback...)
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At 5'-6" or 168cm, with an 83cm inseam and 73cm saddle height, I have long legs and short torso. I use a 25mm setback post with the saddle further back than the midpoint. I also use a fairly large saddle to bar drop of 10cm. That requires no steering tube spacers and a -17 stem. If I have a frame with a reach that's in between stem sizes, I choose the shorter 100mm stem and push the saddle back further rather than use a 110 with the saddle further forward. I do a lot of climbing and the further back position works better for climbing, IME. Part of the post setback is due to the steeper STA of 74-74.5 degrees, used on smaller frames. I could even use a frame with a 75 degree STA, in some brands. That would require a 32mm setback post for me.

The forward positions on the pro bikes are accompanied by a large saddle to bar drop and long reach, similar to that of a time trial bike, but without the aero bars. With the vast majority of cyclists not competing, pro positions aren't all that relative to the average Joe cyclist. Most would find the position to be uncomfortable.
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
I was about to sell my Breezer Venturi when a fellow member suggested I try a zero offset seatpost. The change in comfort and power were drastic. I'm wondering whether it would be even better with something more than a zero offset. Does such a thing exist?
A seatpost shouldn't be chosen based on the reach of a bike.


you have the wrong fit. Get yourself a new bike.
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
Fit you I will ...

The bike is fine. Im just bw sizes with it.
I suspect that if you're between two sizes, both of them are smaller than this bike.
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