are trek and lemond carbon frame quality the same since Trek owns lemond? Do they differ basically in geometry?

The geometry is vastly different but the quality is absolutely 100% the same. Also, design philosophies vary somewhat--you will notice the construction of the two is different however like I said, quality is definately on par.

Are you asking about the new Lemond triomphe series? I have no idea how those are made but they're not advertised as OCLV technology the way the spine series was.

OCLV is a marketing term. Seriously, when you break it down its nearly meaningless.

yes, just wondering if they are made by trek under lemond spec.

I wonder how long until Lance gets a line of bikes? They'd sell like hotcakes and I am sure Trek would love to give Lance the opportunity.

LeMond was actively involved in the design of his LeMond brand frames. That gives the brand some credibility. In contrast, Armstrong has always ridden stock Trek frames. I don't see how an Armstrong brand would attract customers, except for some marginal OCP value.

OCLV is a manufacturing process that Trek uses which yields a type (style?) of carbon fibre material. This material is also used by Trek's subsidiaries such as LeMond and Fisher. A bike is more than the material. My bike is made of Toray T700 carbon fibre. I don't go around saying that I'm riding a Boeing 787. The geometry and design philosophies between Treks, LeMonds and Fishers are different. The designs are different. They are different bikes.

Isn't the OCP market pretty big? I would think that the OCP type would tample one another to get their hands on a "Lance Armstrong" bike or a "Livestrong" bike. If Trek were to market it correctly, we might all be drooling over one.

I don't think so. In my area, only a small minority of riders were pro team jerseys.

I can imagine plenty of "weekend warrior" types lining up for an Armstrong/Livestrong bike.

Frames that are made with him on the test bikes...

I have a 2001 Trek 2300 and my GF has a 2001 Lemond Zurich. Forks and components are practically identical (except for different headsets, stems and bars), but they ride very differently in construction and geometry (alu vs steel, race vs road geometry, short vs long TT). Lemonds are very nice but don't fit my body type.. if it fits I say go for it.

Lemond favors a slacker seat tube/long top tube than many designs. He did this because he always found himself hanging off the back of bikes he was riding, even with the seat shoved all the way back.

Now he likes it because it allows him better access to doughnuts.

Sorry. Would just like to see the old boy looking fit!

If memory serves, Greg LeMond never raced on a bike of his own design, he didn't have his bicycle line/company until either after he retired or at the tail end of his career. If Lance wanted a line of bikes and be a subsidiary of Trek I'm sure he could easily do it.

Besides what does having raced a frame of your own design have to do with how it would sell in the marketplace? Didn't Lance have input on various aspects of the bikes he raced with Trek? His input was certainly used on the last two series of bikes that he raced, plus the helmets, shoes, etc.

Yes, and wasn't his first win on a re-badged Litespeed? That is certainly providing a lot of input, to get the sponsers to actually let him race on a bike other than their own (under the sticker).

huh? what does "his own design" mean--I'm sure clark kent, craig calfee and rolland della santa designed his bikes the way he wanted them

just because he wasn't sitting at a drafting board with a t-square doesn't mean he didn't choose the geometry and help with the design

That's the whole point of someone saying the same thing about Lance not racing a bike under his own name, etc. Most of these guys don't do the actual design, it is just some input here and there based on the geometry they might prefer or something else that they might want.

Any successful bike racer could potentially put their name on a line of bikes and they would sell... if marketed properly. Look at Mat Hoffmann, Tony Hawk, John Tomac, Eddy Merckx, etc. Most of the success of those now brand names is all about marketing; whether they were or weern't successful riding their own equipment when they were at their peak.

I ran into Lemond 7 or 8 years ago while working up at Big Sky in Montana when he was starting out as director of mountain biking for the Yellowstone club. He looked pretty rough then, physically but not spiritually. A few years prior, I was working in a shop in Minneapolis. He'd show up incognito and ride local norba races with the rest of us hacks. He was diagnosed with mitochondrial myopathy so I don't know to what extent he can be fitter than he is. Medical researchers treat his career as miraculous given his disease. Give him credit for trying!

so has anyone tried lemond '07 carbon bikes?

ive got one on order and should be avail in Jan, per Trek. Heres' a review: https://www.procyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4096

Just briefly but initial impression is they are going back to more of a racing/performance image, judging from their fewer steel or steel/carbon offerings and the fact their new carbon frames are definately centered around performance over ride compliance. They still ride nicely, but they are stiff vertically compared to some similar bikes.

Jonathan

The new lemond bikes are not oclv, and OCLV is not just marketing jargon. Its a process trek developed to create minimal amount of voids (air bubbles) when they are forming their carbon.

As for how the new lemonds ride I'd say its prolly one of the best new bikes ive ridden. Compared to my 07 madone, it feel just as stiff when cranking, but feels a lot plusher on rough roads/ cracks....

forget it, seriously--just forget it

He gets paid $200,000 per speaking engagement...tied for the highest price with bill clinton

Its a better investment to focus on making the same speach over and over agiain then worrying about designing bikes for a company...