Riding with hacks
02-13-07 | 08:05 PM
#76
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I think it's mainly a 'ride on weekends, afraid of cars' vs a 'aware that cars, generally, exist' thing.
Crap, ride in a straight line, be responsible for being aware of what's around you, call out things that are exceptional, and if you're in front, don't lead the group over the dead squirrel.
Seems like a lot of the problem is people thinking they have to ride in the gutter instead of in the lane.
Crap, ride in a straight line, be responsible for being aware of what's around you, call out things that are exceptional, and if you're in front, don't lead the group over the dead squirrel.
Seems like a lot of the problem is people thinking they have to ride in the gutter instead of in the lane.
02-13-07 | 08:14 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by rbart4506
That is a whole other thread...
I'll check back in the morning to see how many pages this thing has grown too...
Ooops....I see that thread has already started...
I'll check back in the morning to see how many pages this thing has grown too...
Ooops....I see that thread has already started...
Hey, I was baited into this wasn't I? Doh!
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02-13-07 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by daredevil
I guess I'll be one of the first. Come ride my road. Narrow, no shoulder, trucks BIG LONG trucks going each way at 50-60 mph. Chip trucks, logging trucks, fuel trucks, you name it. I need to know if I got one coming either way well before I hear them and everybody knows that it's easier to move your eyes than turn your head. I am simply more aware of my surroundings on that road than a mirrorless rider could be. That is really not debatable. Making me more aware gives me more options and keeps me safer. I like that. Hey, I was baited into this wasn't I? Doh!
Hey, I was baited into this wasn't I? Doh!
02-13-07 | 08:28 PM
#80
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Originally Posted by daytonian
So you ride on the highway?
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02-13-07 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by daytonian
So you ride on the highway?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
02-13-07 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Treefox
I love it when people conjure up 'rules' out of nowhere with no basis in reality.
We always ride two-up on group rides.
(And we normally pass on the right
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We always ride two-up on group rides.
(And we normally pass on the right
)Got any other road users angry lately?
02-13-07 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bbattle
When I see guys on bikes like that I figure they are the ones to hammer the group along. Of course, when I see riders with carbon frames and full Record I figure they are the ones that'll keep the pace up. And when I see the retired couple on a tandem I know they'll be pulling a stiff pace.
I learned on my first group ride that you can make no assumptions about anybody based on what they are wearing, what they look like, or what they are riding. Oh, you can say this one is OCP, that one's a Fred but that says nothing about their riding skills, only their fashion skills.
I learned on my first group ride that you can make no assumptions about anybody based on what they are wearing, what they look like, or what they are riding. Oh, you can say this one is OCP, that one's a Fred but that says nothing about their riding skills, only their fashion skills.
I am one of those dudes who show up to group rides on my training bike wearing camo cutoffs and tennis shoes, and then destroy the A level ride. They look at me and see a 16 year old kid, but they have no idea that I am a cat 3 going on cat 2.
02-13-07 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DM4
I have never needed a mirror to know that there was something behind me that was gaining on me. I can hear it and I have the ability to turn my head, or drop my head momentarily and look between my legs.
02-13-07 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by daytonian
Nope, didn't get the memo.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
02-13-07 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bassplayinbiker
+1 on the assumptions.
I am one of those dudes who show up to group rides on my training bike wearing camo cutoffs and tennis shoes, and then destroy the A level ride. They look at me and see a 16 year old kid, but they have no idea that I am a cat 3 going on cat 2.
I am one of those dudes who show up to group rides on my training bike wearing camo cutoffs and tennis shoes, and then destroy the A level ride. They look at me and see a 16 year old kid, but they have no idea that I am a cat 3 going on cat 2.
Why would you go on a training ride in camo cutoffs (army pants?), do you change your pedals to a flat bmx style for the shoes? If you rode along with most groups, chances are they would let you ride away from them.
02-13-07 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasqually
Is that post a joke? I can not tell.
Why would you go on a training ride in camo cutoffs (army pants?), do you change your pedals to a flat bmx style for the shoes? If you rode along with most groups, chances are they would let you ride away from them.
Why would you go on a training ride in camo cutoffs (army pants?), do you change your pedals to a flat bmx style for the shoes? If you rode along with most groups, chances are they would let you ride away from them.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
02-13-07 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasqually
Is that post a joke? I can not tell.
Why would you go on a training ride in camo cutoffs (army pants?), do you change your pedals to a flat bmx style for the shoes? If you rode along with most groups, chances are they would let you ride away from them.
Why would you go on a training ride in camo cutoffs (army pants?), do you change your pedals to a flat bmx style for the shoes? If you rode along with most groups, chances are they would let you ride away from them.
02-13-07 | 09:56 PM
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When I get bothered by car back type stuff I just ride away from the person doing the calling. And I normally only get bothered if we are on a Class Two bikelane when they are doing it.
02-13-07 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
i would find the inconsistent pace more annoying than the calling out of stuff. actually, i find most large group rides pretty annoying so i just avoid them. i like riding with 4 or 5 other people max.
02-13-07 | 10:02 PM
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and you are thinking this has something to do with them not liking your bike so close ...... just saying maybe its ......
Originally Posted by branman1986
+1
also the funniest difference for me between the club rides and the training rides is the whole bit about club riders not liking anyone riding close by. I often just for fun try to see how close I can get, but they just keep moving away. I know I'm potentially putting my life in danger, but it's a fun way to pass the time.
also the funniest difference for me between the club rides and the training rides is the whole bit about club riders not liking anyone riding close by. I often just for fun try to see how close I can get, but they just keep moving away.
I know I'm potentially putting my life in danger, but it's a fun way to pass the time.
02-13-07 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasqually
maybe just a quick laugh, usually just ignored.
also...
"usually just ignored"... so it happens a lot then?
02-13-07 | 10:22 PM
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When I see posts like this I often check the profile of the OP. I see that DM4's hobbies are "High-end audio and wet, naked women." Now I'm not going to fault any guy for liking wet naked women, but DM4 I'm afraid your credibility with me is nil. Try to help other riders who may not be as strong or road-smart as you. Don't just cut them down. Did one guy REALLY have a helmet mirror?! Did you call the police?
02-13-07 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Large Font
Casually laugh then ignore...with your attitude???... you would be so angry that you'd fall off!
also...
"usually just ignored"... so it happens a lot then?
also...
"usually just ignored"... so it happens a lot then?
I have been riding with the same few groups for over 10 years. I have been living in the same area that long now. Been a member of the closest cycling club that long too.
But riding with other groups for over 25 years.
After a while most riders get to know each other, so if a teenager in street clothes and sneakers shows up and tries to "destroy" all the group, I'm pretty sure it would be mostly ignored. It wouldn't anger me in the slightest.
I have seen some younger guys in cutt of pants and t-shirts come to the track and to crits in the past and not last very long in races. It's only happened 2 or 3 times. I do live in a large (not by USA standards) city of around a few million and the larger group rides and club/open races have many pro tour and continental team riders in them depending on the time of year. A teenager in sneakers would go more or less ignored.
02-13-07 | 11:09 PM
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My preference is for minimal calling. Generally the guys that do most of the calling don't last on our group ride; they get dropped early. Yes, there are cars approaching from behind. There are always cars approaching from behind. Do we want you calling every five seconds? I find it irritating in the extreme. But I suppose some like it, so I generally tolerate it.
02-14-07 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807
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See why I don't generally like to ride with 'roadies'?
Stuff it.
See why I don't generally like to ride with 'roadies'?
Stuff it.
