Where Frames Made
02-20-07 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by onkey
hmmm
on all my bikes, my frame is the most expensive part of the bike. isn't that how it should be? (no offense to people riding cheap frames with expensive groupo's)
example:
legend ti st - $4,095 dura-ace group - $1,500??
if crown jewel - $2,200 dura-ace group - $1,500?
cheers
on all my bikes, my frame is the most expensive part of the bike. isn't that how it should be? (no offense to people riding cheap frames with expensive groupo's)
example:
legend ti st - $4,095 dura-ace group - $1,500??
if crown jewel - $2,200 dura-ace group - $1,500?
cheers
02-20-07 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by teterider
Contrary to many posts and many posters in this forum, wanting to buy American is a good thing. We all buy lots and lots of foreign stuff everyday without hesitation, so there is nothing wrong with wanting to keep a US factory worker employed. As you will see now from this comment, there are so many people who simply have no clue why someone would want to this and enjoy flaming anyone who actually wants to buy american. I kid you not when I say in another forum on this topic someone posted that it wouldn't matter if all manufacturing left the US, oh and they threw in that the US flag was meaningless.
Read Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman, then you'll see why the first statement is misguided, although well intended, and why it doesn't matter if all manufacturing left the US (and by the way it won't). https://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Fre...e=UTF8&s=books
There are a couple of simple principles, most notably compartive advantage, and specialization that allow free trade to raise everybody's standard of living. It's not a zero sum game.
No way I can convince you of this in a forum post. But if you read the book (by a Nobel Laureate in Economics) you might get a new perspective.
02-20-07 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WheresWaldo
There is not a single component group that I know of that is made in the USA or for that matter the U.S.A. either. So it is a false sense of patriotism that you display buy saying you will only buy American when the bulk of the parts are from anywhere but America.
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02-20-07 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Read Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman, then you'll see why the first statement is misguided, although well intended, and why it doesn't matter if all manufacturing left the US (and by the way it won't). https://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Fre...e=UTF8&s=books
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02-20-07 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
Where are SRAM parts made?
For the most part Taiwan and China.
There is a difference between an American company sourcing re-labelled parts out of another country and the parts being made in the US.
02-20-07 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by waytoomanybikes
There is a difference between an American company sourcing re-labelled parts out of another country and the parts being made in the US.
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02-20-07 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
I recognize that an American company can manufacture parts overseas, which is why I asked. I don't believe SRAM re-labels anything, however.
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02-20-07 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by R900
Trek makes most high end bikes in the USA, not just Madones. You'll need to check each frame, or you can email Trek customer service. Until recently the 2100 was made in the US.
02-20-07 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cs1
Yeah, know what you mean. My Lowrider has those nice Showa forks and Chinese battery. LOL
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02-20-07 | 03:26 PM
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I sure stirred the kettle. Thanks for answering my questions. It has been confusing as I don’t see the made in stickers on the bike unless they are made in USA.
I was looking at Carbon because I road a friends Trek Madone. Not sure which one, I just know he upgraded from a 5.2. It felt stiff like an old Aluminum Cannondale yet very smooth on the road.
I like the small builders but am hesitant about buying a bike without riding it. I could build one up. I usually build my own wheels. But I want more time to ride for now. It reached 65 F today.
Anybody looked at Brew. I did not see in the list.
Will be lurking.
Thanks
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I was looking at Carbon because I road a friends Trek Madone. Not sure which one, I just know he upgraded from a 5.2. It felt stiff like an old Aluminum Cannondale yet very smooth on the road.
I like the small builders but am hesitant about buying a bike without riding it. I could build one up. I usually build my own wheels. But I want more time to ride for now. It reached 65 F today.
Anybody looked at Brew. I did not see in the list.
Will be lurking.
Thanks
Mike
02-20-07 | 06:19 PM
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But I say exactly the same thing in the UK, of UK workers. I grew up in an industrial town, and have seen what happens when people say manufacturing is "past it", and it is not pretty. When Rover closed, they said go work in Tescos. But the jobs are not comparable; one pays minimum wage, the other more than enough to pay for University tuition....Also, Milton Friedman's theories are interesting, but a wholesale free market with no Government interference would be a disaster for the common man. This is what Thatcher tried; Blairs skill is melding the good things that capitalism does with the good things that social democracy does. I'll go back to reading Maynard Keynes now. Now he really was a genius!
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02-20-07 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by R900
Trek makes most high end bikes in the USA, not just Madones. You'll need to check each frame, or you can email Trek customer service. Until recently the 2100 was made in the US.
02-20-07 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zouf
Well, drop carbon as your favorite material - because if you're not sure about Chinese made carbon, you're not sure about carbon period, since it comes 90% from China + Taiwan.
And 1 factory also makes 5 company mp3 players (Foxconn), and cell phones (Foxconn again), and laptops, and... so I would suggest getting an 8-track tape player, and a set of drums to communicate, and some paper + pencil...
And 1 factory also makes 5 company mp3 players (Foxconn), and cell phones (Foxconn again), and laptops, and... so I would suggest getting an 8-track tape player, and a set of drums to communicate, and some paper + pencil...
02-20-07 | 10:26 PM
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My German engineered (perhaps) Scott is made in Taiwan. I'd urge you to re-consider because the small hands of the malnourished child slaves actually improve the quality of the product by an order of magnitude. Big 'ole beefy gringo hands just don't have the same finesse in the carbon fiber layup.
02-20-07 | 10:27 PM
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All American Apple Pie
INGREDIENTS
INGREDIENTS
* 1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
* 1/2 cup vegetable oil
* 2 tablespoons cold milk
* 1 1/2 teaspoons white sugar
* 1 teaspoon salt
* 6 Fuji apples, cored and sliced
* 3/4 cup white sugar
* 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
* 3/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
* 1/2 cup all-purpose flour
* 1/2 cup white sugar
* 1/2 cup butter
DIRECTIONS* 1/2 cup vegetable oil
* 2 tablespoons cold milk
* 1 1/2 teaspoons white sugar
* 1 teaspoon salt
* 6 Fuji apples, cored and sliced
* 3/4 cup white sugar
* 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
* 3/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
* 1/2 cup all-purpose flour
* 1/2 cup white sugar
* 1/2 cup butter
1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C).
2. To Make Crust: In a large bowl, mix together 1 1/2 cups flour, oil, milk, 1 1/2 teaspoons sugar and salt until evenly blended. Pat mixture into a 9 inch pie pan, spreading the dough evenly over the bottom and up sides. Crimp edges of the dough around the perimeter.
3. To Make Filling: Mix together 3/4 cup sugar, 3 tablespoons flour, cinnamon, and nutmeg. Sprinkle over apples and toss to coat. Spread evenly in unbaked pie shell.
4. To Make Topping: Using a pastry cutter, mix together 1/2 cup flour, 1/2 cup sugar and butter until evenly distributed and crumbly in texture. Sprinkle over apples.
5. Put pie in the oven on a cookie sheet to catch the juices that may spill over. Bake 45 minutes.
2. To Make Crust: In a large bowl, mix together 1 1/2 cups flour, oil, milk, 1 1/2 teaspoons sugar and salt until evenly blended. Pat mixture into a 9 inch pie pan, spreading the dough evenly over the bottom and up sides. Crimp edges of the dough around the perimeter.
3. To Make Filling: Mix together 3/4 cup sugar, 3 tablespoons flour, cinnamon, and nutmeg. Sprinkle over apples and toss to coat. Spread evenly in unbaked pie shell.
4. To Make Topping: Using a pastry cutter, mix together 1/2 cup flour, 1/2 cup sugar and butter until evenly distributed and crumbly in texture. Sprinkle over apples.
5. Put pie in the oven on a cookie sheet to catch the juices that may spill over. Bake 45 minutes.
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02-20-07 | 10:43 PM
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02-20-07 | 10:50 PM
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National Pie Day - January 23rd
Created by the American Pie Council, National Pie Day is dedicated to the celebration of pie. As part of our American heritage, this day is a perfect opportunity to pass on the love and enjoyment of pie eating and pie making to future generations.
Each year the American Pie Council sponsors the National Pie Championships where some of the best pie makers in the United States and Canada enter their pies to compete for the "American Pie Council's Best Pie in America" award. For more information on who has the best pies in America, click on "National Pie Championships" icon.
To celebrate National Pie Day share the warmth of the ultimate "comfort food" by giving the gift of pie to a friend or neighbor. Your generosity will be long remembered.
Created by the American Pie Council, National Pie Day is dedicated to the celebration of pie. As part of our American heritage, this day is a perfect opportunity to pass on the love and enjoyment of pie eating and pie making to future generations.
Each year the American Pie Council sponsors the National Pie Championships where some of the best pie makers in the United States and Canada enter their pies to compete for the "American Pie Council's Best Pie in America" award. For more information on who has the best pies in America, click on "National Pie Championships" icon.
To celebrate National Pie Day share the warmth of the ultimate "comfort food" by giving the gift of pie to a friend or neighbor. Your generosity will be long remembered.
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02-20-07 | 11:35 PM
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This thread made me take a look around my DJ booth at work just now....
We have 18 various music production modules all made in china.
My computer, mouse, keyboard made in china.
My stapler, made in china.
Mirrors on the wall from target, made in china.
Silverware I just ate with, made in china.
Burned cd's made in china.
I am tempted to get an hand mirror and check my own ass just to make sure, since I was adopted after all.
Chinese exports in Us Billion
We have 18 various music production modules all made in china.
My computer, mouse, keyboard made in china.
My stapler, made in china.
Mirrors on the wall from target, made in china.
Silverware I just ate with, made in china.
Burned cd's made in china.
I am tempted to get an hand mirror and check my own ass just to make sure, since I was adopted after all.
Chinese exports in Us Billion
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