A higher end Sram group
 

I just read in V.N that it's been hinted that Sram is working on a higher end group to compete at the level of Record.
How pissed off would I be if I had just built up a new bike with Force componants, only to find out they are bringing out a better one, and that I just bought their soon to be second rate set up.

Glad I just bought 07 Record.

meh.

m e h, meh, can't argue with that............

Yea.. sure would suck when your stuff all off a sudden quits working because something better came out.

Higher end than a Force? How much are the shifters going to retail for? $800???

No $hit, How can a company charge even $500 for a set of brifters that look like they had been crashed into a telephone pole?

I'll pass on this gruppo.

My 8-speed Dura-Ace shifting started to suck after Shimano released 9-speed and totally went to Hell when 10-speed came out. :)

wow...if you don't like SRAM, don't buy it. crying about it only stresses yourself out.

SRAM brifters only MSRP at $40 more than Dura-ace brifters, and $51 more than Record MSRP.

if retailers are setting their prices so much higher, it's not SRAM's fault.
shimano and campy both retail their brifters at $499 and $489 respectively.

and if you're going to get pissed everytime improved or 'better' technology comes out, you really need to take up a new hobby.

You mean, just as pissed if you bought '07 Record and found out there were coming out with '08 Record next?

I have chorus, and any rational being would be completely content with the amazing group that it is. Enjoy that record

Hahah.

I have 06 centaur. Why would anyone want Chorus at $400 more for very few grams less?

This would only be a real issue if they made some significant improvements in the line and did not filter them down to the other groups. Besides what will they do except add more carbon and more Ti. Maybe they could polish them up real shiny!

Well like I've said, the new SRAM groups actually seemed to have moved many people over to Campy. It got people thinking about a group change, then when they actually looked at Force, then at Chorus or Record, many were more interested in Campy.

As for the shifter price, I can't believe its a retailer price setting thing and not SRAMs issue. Way too many all had/have the shifters at $539. Way too many for coincidence without someone undercutting it by alot to sell more. Sort of like the Ipod which every retailer has at the same price because Apple insists on it. Must be happening with SRAM too. I'm not sure where those listed Dura-Ace and Record shifters costs came from but they are not true and probably only exist for the few times some Fortune 500 CEO walks into a shop looking for an image to ride 2 times a year. Look at the first place you come across and Record shifters are under $330.


As for a "higher" group, I agree it just must mean more carbon and Ti, but either the Force shifters will need to come down to Record price level to make way for the new ones, or the shifters themselves won't change at all (I mean what else could then do to them other than Ti clamp band and ti internals). Perhaps it will still be Force, just with options such as carbon cage FD or standard, Ti brakes or standard, etc.

Good because Sram force sucks.

Because is shifts/looks better?

[QUOTE=teterider]Well like I've said, the new SRAM groups actually seemed to have moved many people over to Campy. It got people thinking about a group change, then when they actually looked at Force, then at Chorus or Record, many were more interested in Campy.

Good point. The same reason I temporarily switched to Sram force from my perfect and aesthetically beautiful 7800 10 speed group. Now, I'm back to Shimano. Still wanting to try campy but I have way too many Shimano wheels.

After a year or two it should be a very good gruppo, but I'm not willing to spend a $1000 or more to be an R+D rider for SRAM:eek: .

How many recalls will 07 Force have?

For the price they're charging, I would expect "made in USA" for this new group, which I predict will be called "Sram Gluon"

I will give you the looks...but it doesen't shift any better...may have that quality of shifting longer due to the bearings rather than bushings but my Centaur and Record shift pretty much the same as far as I can tell.

No going to the 06 vs 07 debate...you can keep that 07 Centaur. :D

MSRP isn't the whole story though...the margin could be MUCH lower. The retailers can sell DA and Record for less if the cost is less. That said I have no clue what the dealer cost of each item is...but my guess is that SRAM's is in fact higher but they couldn't price the MSRP any higher as they wouldn't compete with Shimano and Campy.

I have 06 centaur on one bike and I have record on another. When they are both dialed in I honestly cannot tell a difference in the performance of the two. With that said I am thinking about getting some of the new chorus brifters to replace my centaurs. I'm a weight weenie at heart and that just seems like a relatively cheap / easy way to lose 92 grams (3 ounces).

I have SRAM on both bikes.. I really like it. To each his own I guess.

I can't tell the difference between my Record and Chorus, but I can tell the difference if I hop on my Centaur cross bike.

I would choose Campy but that tumb shifter just doesn't work well with my hands. It's in the wrong place and to get to it, I have to keep taking my hand off the hoods (I have long fingers). Do all the campy's have the thumb shifter?