New Pedal Force group buy...2008 updated ZX3 this time
06-19-07, 12:15 PM
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Cool, another PF groupbuy! I'm another happy RS owner. Looks like the new ZX3 is a sexed-up RS. With the RS, ADK used/stole the geometry from the Kuota Kredo (identical to the mm) and the tube shapes from the Isaac Impulse (minus Isaac's signature bulging headtube). I wonder if the new ZX3's tube shapes come from any frame out there, or if they're a new design?
06-19-07, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by curveship
Cool, another PF groupbuy! I'm another happy RS owner. Looks like the new ZX3 is a sexed-up RS. With the RS, ADK used/stole the geometry from the Kuota Kredo (identical to the mm) and the tube shapes from the Isaac Impulse (minus Isaac's signature bulging headtube). I wonder if the new ZX3's tube shapes come from any frame out there, or if they're a new design?
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06-19-07, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
I have a hard time thinking ADK stole those measurements and tube designs...my guess is ADK makes those frames.
Whoever did the design work on the RS was a pretty smart cookie, IMHO, as I really like mine. I didn't get the feeling that Pedalforce were bike experts, though. They buy one thing from one catalog, another form another, and put them together and hope they work right. They're more of an importer and distributor than a bike company per se. That's cool, and it's what lets them get away with such good prices, but you have to do a little legwork on your own.
06-19-07, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
I often see posts that seem to assume that someone can tell whether a frame and fork are "exactly the same" simply by looking at a photograph. That is just not true.
Some of the bike factories in Taiwan, and most of the bike factories in communist-occupied portions of China are "experts" in making knock-off copies of high quality products. Engineers at Ritchey, Trek, and Cannondale find and identify counterfeit knock-off products by subjecting products to stress testing, and then slicing them up and examining them from the insides. Millions of dollars of equipment involved.
The best "guarantee" you are getting a premium quality frame and fork is pretty easy. You go to the best Trek dealer, the best Cannondale dealer, best Specialized dealer, or the best Giant dealer in your town. You buy a frame and fork that says Trek, Cannondale, Specialized or Giant, with the lifetime warranty, backed by the factory.
They have found the fella in communist China who supplied the poisoned wheat gluten that was killing American pets. He said "This was the fault of the Americans...you want the cheapest products and you got the cheapest product".
And if you look for the cheapest frame and fork on the market, the communist Chinese have exactly what you are looking for...
Some of the bike factories in Taiwan, and most of the bike factories in communist-occupied portions of China are "experts" in making knock-off copies of high quality products. Engineers at Ritchey, Trek, and Cannondale find and identify counterfeit knock-off products by subjecting products to stress testing, and then slicing them up and examining them from the insides. Millions of dollars of equipment involved.
The best "guarantee" you are getting a premium quality frame and fork is pretty easy. You go to the best Trek dealer, the best Cannondale dealer, best Specialized dealer, or the best Giant dealer in your town. You buy a frame and fork that says Trek, Cannondale, Specialized or Giant, with the lifetime warranty, backed by the factory.
They have found the fella in communist China who supplied the poisoned wheat gluten that was killing American pets. He said "This was the fault of the Americans...you want the cheapest products and you got the cheapest product".
And if you look for the cheapest frame and fork on the market, the communist Chinese have exactly what you are looking for...
BTW if I wanted a nice high end carbon bike frame I would not buy a factory pushed /made bike... Nothing wrong with them just I would rather go throw my hard earned money @ a small private bike builder or someone who can make it by hand, just my preference for spending the $$$. Builders like IF , Steelman , AEGIS ,crumpton cycles , or any other small frame builder. I’m just someone who likes supporting the little guy over big ones.
Uggg not to get ugly or anything but what you are spewing out is uncalled for on this thread
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06-19-07, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mihlbach
5 more to go 'til $480.
This is my first group buy, but I get the feeling that 100 people signed up does not equal a $480 deal. Its easy to sign up and much harder to pay...how many of these people will actually follow through with the downpayment?
This is my first group buy, but I get the feeling that 100 people signed up does not equal a $480 deal. Its easy to sign up and much harder to pay...how many of these people will actually follow through with the downpayment?
06-20-07, 04:29 AM
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Only need one more frame for the lowest price break...congrats, if people don't pull out your going to make it.
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i would be interested if there was no logo on the head tube. is this possible?
06-21-07, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by vic32amg
i would be interested if there was no logo on the head tube. is this possible?
06-21-07, 06:40 AM
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So what happens if there are more than 100 buyers at the lowest pricepoint? I am thinking of jumping in also...
...does anyone have any complete build pics of this frame?
...does anyone have any complete build pics of this frame?
06-21-07, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by shabbasuraj
So what happens if there are more than 100 buyers at the lowest pricepoint? I am thinking of jumping in also...
06-21-07, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Strong Bad
You get the same deal. In fact, now that it is at $480 I would expect more people to be jumping in.
So the question I have is, what do I need to buy from them if I am going to switch from my Airborne? Just the frame? Or is the rear dérailleur hanger needed?
06-21-07, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadieNewbie
I looked and looked for the answer...Maybe I overlooked but I can't seem to find it.. Does the $480 include shipping??
Thank you!
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06-21-07, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by akatsuki
I am trying to resist right now, but a vision of my old black Peugeot keeps coming in my head, saying "you want a black bike... and you will put yellow and orange details on it!"
So the question I have is, what do I need to buy from them if I am going to switch from my Airborne? Just the frame? Or is the rear dérailleur hanger needed?
So the question I have is, what do I need to buy from them if I am going to switch from my Airborne? Just the frame? Or is the rear dérailleur hanger needed?
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Originally Posted by Strong Bad
You will have to check the dimensions (available on the PF web site) but you may need a new seat post, seat post clamp, and derailleur hanger. And what about the fork? It will probably be okay, as long as the stem is still long enough for the frame you want.
06-21-07, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryleeryno
I can't decide between the 53cm or the 55cm frame. Any current Pedal Force owners care to help? I currently ride a 56cm Trek 5000 which is fairly comfortable. Which PF frame would fit best?
My Specs:
Height: 5'9"
Inseam: 32 in
Torso: 25 in
Forearm: 13.5 in
Arm: 26 in
Thigh: 22.5 in
Lower Leg: 21 in
Sternal Notch: 55.5 in
My Specs:
Height: 5'9"
Inseam: 32 in
Torso: 25 in
Forearm: 13.5 in
Arm: 26 in
Thigh: 22.5 in
Lower Leg: 21 in
Sternal Notch: 55.5 in
i think you'd have a hard time making the 55 work.
hope that helps
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Originally Posted by Stevie Boy
Includes hanger, first 75 deposits down get a free seatpost clamp, everything else you're on your own.
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Originally Posted by Brycycle
53. Definitely. i've got a QS2 and had the same decision to make. i went with the 55, i'm 2" taller than you, with a longer inseam. the bike fits 'perfect' according to sizing charts, but in retrospect i would have preferred a slightly smaller frame w/ a longer stem and a higher seatpost...
i think you'd have a hard time making the 55 work.
hope that helps
i think you'd have a hard time making the 55 work.
hope that helps
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So, in the group buy, we're getting the following frame from ADK:
THIS
Does anyone happen know if its the Regular Model or the SL?
Given the comments that have come back from PF, I'd bet its the SL...
I'd also bet that any of the ADK frames from BD are the Regular models, and not SL. Your thoughts or knowledge on the subject are appreciated.
-Blacktalon
THIS
Does anyone happen know if its the Regular Model or the SL?
Given the comments that have come back from PF, I'd bet its the SL...
I'd also bet that any of the ADK frames from BD are the Regular models, and not SL. Your thoughts or knowledge on the subject are appreciated.
-Blacktalon
06-22-07, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackTaloN
The RS is definitely the SL version of the AKFM03, so I'd guess the new ZX3 will be too, since they say the weight is the same. But I don't have any more info than you do. Pedalforce was pretty mum about the details with the RS groupbuy -- they wouldn't even confirm that the frame was from ADK, even after a BFer got his frames with an ADK sticker attached ...
06-22-07, 09:38 AM
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Anyone else ordering the fork along with the frame?? Those of you that ordered the fork from the previous GB what do you think? Is it the same one? Quality, specs etc..
Thanks!
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