Originally Posted by Avalanche325 (Post 4947580)

Yes, anything written in a book is the truth.

Hey, did you read about the Martian base on the moon? There is a book on that too. What about the whole civilization living inside the Earth? There a several books on that. They are actually superior beings to us you know.

You had better get off the forum. You have a lot more factoids to read up on.

Originally Posted by eskimo85 (Post 4947769)

The believe the OP is trying to say that the blood was cleansed of whatever else it contained too because otherwise this would have showed up if it was not altered.

Originally Posted by Ostuni (Post 4949161)

one thing seems certain: in all 7 tour wins he beat a lot of great riders that WERE doping.....

Originally Posted by ovoleg (Post 4949404)

evidence?

Nice try noob

Originally Posted by Ostuni (Post 4949161)

one thing seems certain: in all 7 tour wins he beat a lot of great riders that WERE doping.....

Originally Posted by fit24hrs (Post 4949758)

I believe Lance had embryonal carcinoma. AFP and hCG are elevated in 90% of cases. If hCG was not found, that would be strange.

Originally Posted by ovoleg (Post 4949404)

evidence?

Nice try noob

Originally Posted by MichaelRasmusen (Post 4951309)

No, he is innocent until proven guilty...or wait, "guilty until proven innocent" I believe is TDF's motto now. I'm just glad he retired when he did, I'm sure the French would of loved to tarnish his seven wins with a "doping" allegation.

Originally Posted by brianallan (Post 4948430)

This is actually a more ignorant response than you claim the OP's is. Do you come back at those wacky people that say global warming is happening because they read about it in these things called "books"? I think the point you're trying to make is that this theory isn't credible, but attack the theory directly instead of that crappy little thing you mustered : )

Originally Posted by Mitro (Post 4947767)

Maybe he's trying to tell us that lance was pregnant.

Originally Posted by hiracer (Post 4947494)

I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.

Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 4947722)

Do you mean beta-HCG? That's a marker for a certain subtype of cancer (choriocarcinoma) and has no performance enhancing benefit at those levels. Just because it's negative doesn't mean you don't have testicular cancer. In fact, choriocarcinoma is NOT the tumor Lance had, so I'd be more surprised if he DID have beta-HCG in his blood. Unless he was pregnant.

Normal healthy men don't have any beta-HCG in their bodies. Pregnant women do, and last I checked they're not particularly performance-enhanced.

Originally Posted by hiracer (Post 4947494)

.............This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.

Originally Posted by hiracer (Post 4947494)

Beta-CHG is a hormone that is produced naturally by the body when the body has testicular cancer. It also happens to be a banned substance and one tested by the various sport organizations, including the UCI.

Several professional athletes have tested positive for Beta-CHG, professed their innocence, and later were proven to have been innocent because they were diagnosed with testicular cancer. The testing may have saved their lives because of the early detection of the cancer.

Lance was tested by the UCI several times during the period in which he had testicular cancer. He did not test positive for beta-CHG. Not even once.

He never sued the UCI for negligence. In fact, he never even castigated them for failing to find beta-CHG, a finding that would have greatly helped prevent his cancer from developing to the near fatal stage that it did.

This repeated failure to detect beta-CHG makes no sense whatsoever unless Lance was doping.

I learned this factoid from Walsh's most recent book. I went on the internet and confirmed that beta-CHG is, in fact, routinely tested to determine whether a man has testicular cancer.

This is the evidence that has changed my mind about Lance. It's just not possible that several of these tests would all have failed to catch beta-CHG, unless he was somehow diluting or cleansing his blood before the dope tests.

This guy has fooled most of the world, and got rich by cheating.

Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 4950757)

Don't get me wrong--I think Lance doped. But the OP's "scientific" argument just doesn't hold up, and I think it's much more likely to say that LA was surrounded by people who aren't going to be ratting him out any time soon.

Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 4951714)

His regular answer was that he "never tested positive," much like the other dopers whose careers are now over.