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go for a ride. give it a rest.
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Originally Posted by MichaelRasmusen
(Post 4962290)
Or never tested positive = never doped. I think we forget that some people are simply talented and gifted athletes. I think Michael Jordan comes to mind as probably one of the most gifted athletes in his prime. Lance Armstrong was to Cycling as Michael Jordan was to Basketball. Of course there are always people that tend to be jealous and want to take away from these people. Don't hate the man just because he has seven TDF wins. If you hate him you must be French :D
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Lance did say I never used and performancing enhancing drugs.
His 1999 positive EPO tests tell a different story. Richard
Originally Posted by rapidcarbon
(Post 4965406)
He could have said "I never doped" instead "never tested positive". Just like "you don't break any law until you get caught".
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He was on his bike, 6 hours a day, busting his ass.
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First of all, MichaelRasumusen, Lance Armstrong is not the Michael Jordan of cycling. Lance Armstrong is the Michael Jordan of the Tour de France. Second of all, this crap is nothing new - do you honestly think you're going to uncover some revelation about LA after all this? So many people have hunted for dirt on this guy for 7+ years and you think you finally found it? Either way, people NEED to believe in Lance. There are those that believe he doped (the logical ones) and there are those that believe he didn't. If at this point you believe Lance didn't dope, nothing is going to convince you - you are pretty much a blind follower and none of this new information is going to phase you.
And to the guy that linked wikipedia.......wikipedia? Come on, dude. I could go write a wikipedia entry right now stating that my dog could beat up your dog. Dictionary, man. Dictionary. |
So there have never been great athletes that stood out above the rest, without some 'help'?
I guess we can safely write off Michael Jordan, Bruce Jenner, Pete Sampras, etc... |
Originally Posted by MichaelRasmusen
(Post 4962290)
Or never tested positive = never doped. I think we forget that some people are simply talented and gifted athletes. I think Michael Jordan comes to mind as probably one of the most gifted athletes in his prime. Lance Armstrong was to Cycling as Michael Jordan was to Basketball. Of course there are always people that tend to be jealous and want to take away from these people. Don't hate the man just because he has seven TDF wins. If you hate him you must be French :D
What sucks about all the doping scandals is that if someone ever DOES accomplish great things clean, nobody is going to believe it. |
Originally Posted by reef58
(Post 4965534)
Lance did say I never used and performancing enhancing drugs.
His 1999 positive EPO tests tell a different story. Richard Believe what you want, but the evidence is circumstantial/guilt by association at its very best. |
I did not know that, really. I have read about it from several sources, but never found any thing that debunked it. Would it be because the sample were so old? Or maybe they were contaminated due to the fact they were being used for practice?
Richard
Originally Posted by DrPete
(Post 4966574)
Dear God. Believe that he doped, but don't use the repeatedly debunked "evidence" to support your claim.
Believe what you want, but the evidence is circumstantial/guilt by association at its very best. |
Originally Posted by reef58
(Post 4966687)
I did not know that, really. I have read about it from several sources, but never found any thing that debunked it. Would it be because the sample were so old? Or maybe they were contaminated due to the fact they were being used for practice?
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Good deal
Richard
Originally Posted by DrPete
(Post 4966725)
IIRC the issues were no chain of custody, new tests run on old specimens, mislabeling, etc.
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Originally Posted by Cassadamius
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There are those that believe he doped (the logical ones)
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood. Sir Bedevere: And therefore... Peasant 2: ...A witch! |
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