ridethecliche

+1

The more I read posts by them, the more I respect them as riders and as people.

ericcox

Why do you hate the economy? You'll probably just save this tax refund thingy, probably in a college account. How's that going to help GDP growth? Don't you know it's your patriotic duty to spend beyond your means? Come to think of it, why do you hate your country and state? I don't like this one bit, no not one bit.

waterrockets 

hocam and ridethecliche, thanks.

If the movie was bland, nobody would watch. Fine line between promotion and education. Compare your favorite professors to your least favorite. I don't really care what people think of or do with the movie, but I like that people at least see it.

The selfish side of me is happy that people were shopping at the LBS today, and using the mechanics services. Keeps the place open for the three times/year I need to go in there for cleat bolts or brake pads or something.

remixity

Which do you people prefer, DT 240s or White Industries H1 hubs?

waterrockets 

I just built a set of wheels for BF:USCSwimming (PowerTap rear, H1 front). That front hub is SWEET. I've never seen anything like it. Let's call it a hubgasm. Very nice. I weighed it at 73g!

DTs are sweet too, from what I've heard. I've never built a wheel around them -- yet.

Between the two, I'd probably just pick the one you like the looks of the best.

damocles1

WI...the front hub looks like a Tiffany baby rattle...

SS_MB-7

What are the differences in the WI H1 and H2, in particular, the front? I'm considering the WI H1, but then, my LBS quoted the H2, which I'd never heard of. I don't see the H2 listed on WI's site, but there's some limited info available via Google on the H2. From what I can tell, the H2 is heavier. Why? Any diffs in the front hubs? If so, what?

Thanks!

M.

USCswimming

I know exactly where you are coming from. After reading some information floating around in bike world, I think the H1 didn't have the best reliability in regards to the bearings because of the size. So I hear WI beefed up the H1 to the H2 so they could fit a little larger bearing inside to last a bit longer thus a little weight gain.

I have a front wheel done with the H1 and that sucker looks super hot. I am probably going to build up another set of wheels using the H2's. I thought about the DT swiss 240's but I really like the look of the Kinlins with silver CX-rays and silver hubs.

SS_MB-7

Thanks for the info....so, the H1 is being phased-out in favor of the H2? Odd that there's no mention of the H2 on WI's site, though.

If that's the case (that the bearing size has been increased), then, that's great! I don't mind a few extra grams for the added durability.

Edit: Just got a reply from WI: "Yes, we are working on updating our web site so the new information hasn't yet been published. The H2 is the new road model for 2008. The bearing size changed from a 6801 in the H1 to 6901 in the H2. The larger bearing has a higher load capacity rating, however, the weight did increase to 97 grams for the H2 front hub. The axle is the same and the shell design is altered only slightly from the H1 model. The flanges are 3mm taller on the H2, but aesthetically the hub looks the same."

M.

nostromo

Sometimes you need to experience things one way, to understand that what you had wasn't all that bad. My first bike (which I still ride) was aluminum with Campy Veloce and Vento wheels, with a heavy seat and bars, etc. It was around 20lbs. I rode it for 2 years and mostly hated it, kept eyeing some sale on a carbon bike to trick out and believing it would take me to the next level.

I did find a good deal and built up a carbon bike with Campy Record, and the 1st set of wheels were Hed Bastonge. The wheels are junk, they claim to be rated for a max weight of 190, but at 180 I was turning them into noodles. Nothing but headaches, I so wanted to believe I'd found a 1400g set of wheels that would make me fly.

I bought Eurus and what a difference, bit heavier, but I could really lay the power down. I later find by putting the Eurus on the aluminum bike, that I feel more confident riding that than the carbon one.

Sure, the carbon one has a nice comfy ride, and seems to do everything well. but when I'm on the alu bike it flies. I stand on it to sprint or climb, or hammer, and it just goes like a rocket. The carbon one is lighter by a few pounds...and on the road, under real conditions, it doesn't amount to anything.

If you can't be 100% confident in your wheels, frame or bike, then go heavier and feel secure that you can make it home, or blast down a descent or climb a steep grade and make it to the top unscathed. Lacking confidence in your components, always checking over your shoulder if something is squeaking or twisting, makes for one crappy ride.