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rufvelo 03-05-08 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by merider1 (Post 6274820)
Wow...this thread went for half a day ignored ...

We can't let that happen.

rufvelo 03-05-08 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by crhilton (Post 6274266)
Race cars generally have a full roll cage made of tube steel.

Not at the pinnacle of the sport. Carbon fibre monocoque that shreds (which is what we're talking about here) doesn't mix with a roll cage.

halfspeed 03-05-08 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by rufvelo (Post 6287122)
We can't let that happen.

We're going to yell at you about not wearing a helmet in our fast pace line. There. That'll get things going again.

2skinnywheels 03-05-08 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by grolby (Post 6229766)
A cracked helmet is a helmet that has not done its job well.

If the cracked helmet gives any hint to what would happen to my skull had I not been wearing it, I would gladly replace the cracked helmet and go around telling people that the helmet may have saved my life.

CdCf 03-06-08 05:06 AM

Just wanted to add a little in this thread. Maybe it's been said already - I couldn't be bothered to read through it all.

Being hit by another vehicle is NOT a situation a helmet is design to protect you in. One of the most common, if not the most common, cause of head injury for cyclists (at least here) is falling off the bicycle, without any other vehicle being involved.

Even a near-stationary fall from a bike is far more dangerous than falling while walking or running, because your body isn't free to move arms and legs to catch the fall and change how you fall. If you fall from your bike, the risk of a direct hit on the head is much, much greater. Add to that that the typical cyclist's head is a bit farther from the ground than the ped's, and you can see why the force of impact will be greater.

A bike helmet is designed to protect from the most common cause of head injury cyclists get. Being hit sideways by a car going 40 mph is not one of them.

Reynolds 03-06-08 06:28 AM


A cracked skull is a skull that has not done its job well.
Fixed.

starkmojo 03-06-08 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by CdCf (Post 6289651)
One of the most common, if not the most common, cause of head injury for cyclists (at least here) is falling off the bicycle, without any other vehicle being involved.

Even a near-stationary fall from a bike is far more dangerous than falling while walking or running, because .


There is an argument against clip ins if I ever saw one :D

GlassWolf 03-06-08 06:41 AM

:rolleyes: I can't believe this is still going.

CdCf 03-06-08 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by starkmojo (Post 6289775)
There is an argument against clip ins if I ever saw one :D

No, that has nothing to do with it. Even with free feet, one of your legs will still be trapped by the bike frame, preventing you from moving your body to catch the fall.

2skinnywheels 03-06-08 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by CdCf (Post 6289651)
A bike helmet is designed to protect from the most common cause of head injury cyclists get. Being hit sideways by a car going 40 mph is not one of them.


In that case, you use the tuck and roll method mentioned earlier.

Al Criner 03-06-08 03:48 PM

Can we discuss the best way to lubricate a chain now?

KidTruth 03-06-08 03:51 PM

With brain matter from your helmetless skull.

rruff 03-06-08 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by KidTruth (Post 6292868)
With brain matter from your helmetless skull.

In your case I think it has all been used up:D

Reynolds 03-06-08 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Al Criner (Post 6292846)
Can we discuss the best way to lubricate a chain now?

And after that:
Shimano vs. Campagnolo
Clinchers vs. tubulars
Steel vs. other materials
The right of overweight slow people to own an expensive/light bicycle
The convenience of carrying a gun while riding
Etc...

2skinnywheels 03-06-08 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Al Criner (Post 6292846)
Can we discuss the best way to lubricate a chain now?

I believe our late, great friend Sheldon Brown had that covered right here

Al Criner 03-07-08 01:21 PM

Does weight really matter?

littledjahn 03-07-08 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Reynolds (Post 6294362)
And after that:
Shimano vs. Campagnolo
Clinchers vs. tubulars
Steel vs. other materials
The right of overweight slow people to own an expensive/light bicycle

The convenience of carrying a gun while riding
Etc...

Now we're talking!

rufvelo 03-07-08 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Reynolds (Post 6294362)
And after that:
Shimano vs. Campagnolo
Clinchers vs. tubulars
Steel vs. other materials
The right of overweight slow people to own an expensive/light bicycle
The convenience of carrying a gun while riding
Etc...

Sure, why not. It is perfectly OK for people to repeat topics for discussion.

patentcad 03-07-08 06:38 PM

Ruf, you forgot 'You'll get killed if you cycle with that iPod!'.

rufvelo 03-07-08 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6300058)
Ruf, you forgot 'You'll get killed if you cycle with that iPod!'.

I only have the 4GB, so from a safety standpoint minimal video is best.

alexmorgan 03-07-08 07:17 PM

Hey I know I'm late into this thread but as far as I can tell; when I hit a pothole (a big one) that was full of leaves and I get launched headfirst over the handlebars into a tree (I really wish I had it on video, self deprecating humour anyone?), I think I'm pretty justified when I say the helmet helped me get away with just a concussion as opposed to something much, much worse. So yes, they help.

Six jours 03-07-08 07:59 PM

You need to repeat that experiment bareheaded for control. And you'll need to do it a couple of dozen times for a statistically valid sample.

That would, at the least, cut down on the number of smarmy "sample of one" helmet proselytizers the world has to put up with.

alexmorgan 03-07-08 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Six jours (Post 6300496)
You need to repeat that experiment bareheaded for control. And you'll need to do it a couple of dozen times for a statistically valid sample.

I'm not so keen on that but if we have any volunteers? Rruf maybe? Fly headfirst into a tree for me...let me know how it goes. Thanks mate!

Six jours 03-07-08 08:38 PM

Swing and a miss.

crhilton 03-08-08 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by rufvelo (Post 6287133)
Not at the pinnacle of the sport. Carbon fibre monocoque that shreds (which is what we're talking about here) doesn't mix with a roll cage.

Okay... I thought even formula one had adopted a roll cage.


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