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Old 06-05-08, 12:28 PM
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Bad news from the LBS

After a frustrating adventure with a flat yesterday, I took my bike to the shop for a tune-up, new tire and tube.

Just got a call that the wheel rim is damaged beyond repair, and requires a new wheel.... $$$. Again. GRR.

The frustrating part is that the bike shop doesn't carry 650 wheels in stock, and it will be about a week to order a new one.

I'm still not sure how the rim managed to be damaged beyond repair. Must have messed it just bad enough when I popped the flat? Has this happened to anyone else?
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Originally Posted by artifice View Post
After a frustrating adventure with a flat yesterday, I took my bike to the shop for a tune-up, new tire and tube.

Just got a call that the wheel rim is damaged beyond repair, and requires a new wheel.... $$$. Again. GRR.

The frustrating part is that the bike shop doesn't carry 650 wheels in stock, and it will be about a week to order a new one.

I'm still not sure how the rim managed to be damaged beyond repair. Must have messed it just bad enough when I popped the flat? Has this happened to anyone else?
You really just need a new rim - not an entire wheel. I'm guessing that the rim was damaged by the road. I would ask to see the "beyond repair" damage though. It's certainly not common to get a puncture, and ruin a rim.

Good luck!

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Pictures, please.

Elaborate on "adventure."
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Well, I didn't snap pics yesterday so unfortunately I don't have any to share. They're going to hold onto the damaged wheel for me to take a look at.

he did say I could just get a new rim, but after the labor charges it would be about the same cost.

In the mean time, does anybody know about these? If they're ok? Better or equal to the Bontrager Selects I have? At the LBS I'm already up to $120 wheel, $30 new tire...

I'll elaborate on the adventure when I have some time, in a bit
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do you know how to fix a flat?
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Umm yeah definitely take a look at the wheel, and take pictures. Sounds fishy.... Also the ability to change your own tires/tubes is a good skill to have.
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Old 06-05-08, 12:42 PM
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Was skeptical about the "damage" until u mention Bontrage. Yes, u need a new one, and no Bontrage this time.
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Steel spokes so I would imagine they are fairly strong if put together well. The price is certainly good compared to the cost of rebuilding whatever you've got.
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
do you know how to fix a flat?
yes :-P
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Originally Posted by bac View Post
You really just need a new rim - not an entire wheel. I'm guessing that the rim was damaged by the road. I would ask to see the "beyond repair" damage though. It's certainly not common to get a puncture, and ruin a rim.

Good luck!

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Yup, it was a puncture. big ol nail sticking out of the tire.
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These will crush both the bontragers and the ebay ones...

https://www.chucksbikes.com/store/wh026.htm

I haven't bought from Chuck's Bikes before, though a quick forum search tells me they're reliable.
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Originally Posted by jsmithepa View Post
Was skeptical about the "damage" until u mention Bontrage. Yes, u need a new one, and no Bontrage this time.
Wish I could look into upgrading right now, but having just stretched budget-wise buying the bike this spring, I'll be sticking to replacing it with something equal-to at this time.
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i guess what people are trying to figure out is what was the nature of this puncture? did you ride on this flat for an extended period of time before deciding to address it? i also do not understand how you can trash a wheel/rim by simply getting a flat unless you were abusing the shid out of it. for a 650c wheel on what im presuming is a fairly small womens frame with a not above average sized rider it just doesnt add up. how old was the wheel?
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Wow, your Trek 1600 WSD is available in a 43cm size. Damn, that's small.
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I'd go over to Coloradocyclist.com and have them build you an Ultegra/Open Pro front wheel. Pretty cheap and darn solid wheel. In fact I'll probably be purchasing a set myself. I'll see if I can find a link...
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bike + wheel are only a couple months old. Thats why I'm asking if anyone else has had this problem- doesn't seem like a flat should be incurring such a large repair bill.

Ok, so extended version of the flat:
Took a minute or two to realize I had the flat.
Stopped to fix it.
Group effort.... three people took a look at the tube and tire, determined it looked like a pinch flat.
Put in the new tube. Inflated it... nail came popping right out through the tire.
Woops. Apparently we're all blind.
Some chick kept trying to pull the nail out- I told her not to, that it might hold enough air to walk it home. (I was only 2 miles into the ride). She continued messing with it until it deflated entirely.
So, I walked the bike about half a mile, and called for a ride. This is where the damage must have occured, walking the bike... although I wouldn't have thought walking the bike would have killed the rim?
Probably should have stopped to patch the tube, re-inflate and walk it home but I never imagined it would have caused that much damage.?!

Lesson learned.
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Originally Posted by artifice View Post
Yup, it was a puncture. big ol nail sticking out of the tire.
I suppose if the nail hit right it could cause rim damage. They also might have noticed spoke hole cracking which of course can go unnoticed for awhile before it becomes....wait for it..... PAINFULLY obvious. Pun intended.

This might be an opportune time for you to consult Sheldon Brown and have a go at rebuilding your own wheel. It's a great way to spend a quiet evening.

If walking caused the damage it is a pretty flimsy rim. I have walked mine on really crappy road surfaces without a problem
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here's a list of all their ultegra hub options. They don't have an Open Pro rim in a 650 listed, but you might call them and check. They did have CXP33 rim option in a 650.

https://www.coloradocyclist.com/product/display/25350/
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Originally Posted by Snow_canuck View Post
Wow, your Trek 1600 WSD is available in a 43cm size. Damn, that's small.
Ha, yup. I dont think they make "adult" bike much smaller! <--43 is what I have.

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I'd go over to Coloradocyclist.com and have them build you an Ultegra/Open Pro front wheel. Pretty cheap and darn solid wheel. In fact I'll probably be purchasing a set myself. I'll see if I can find a link...
Thanks, I'll take a look. I actually need a rear wheel... and need to decide ASAP so I call call the LBS and tell them what to do/not to do. In the mean time, I had them order me one.
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Walking the bike .5miles would not damage it. When the "group" removed the tire did they do it with ease or did someone use a 12" screwdriver for extra leverage?
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Did you run over the nail and have it go through the rim? I had that happen with a bolt that I didn't see on the road. I must have just touched it with the front tire, just enough so that it popped up just as the rear went over it. It went through the tire, the tube, and the rim. Whacked the hell out of the back brake before I could stop.

But it was obvious what happened. It sounds like you don't really know, or you're being coy. Did you examine the tire and wheel?

My bolt went through the rim 'floor' between the sidewalls but didn't damage the rim in any other way (except a few gouges that I could ignore). So when I got home and pulled it out with a pair of pliers, I just taped over the hole with some fiberglass strapping tape and put on a new rim strip.


EDIT: never mind, you explained while I was writing. Y'all post fast!
Walking the bike on the rim with a flat tire shouldn't have damaged it beyond use.
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Bontrager wheels, including Selects, should have a 5 year warranty. Look into that before you pay anything.
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Originally Posted by artifice View Post
Ha, yup. I dont think they make "adult" bike much smaller! <--43 is what I have.


Thanks, I'll take a look. I actually need a rear wheel... and need to decide ASAP so I call call the LBS and tell them what to do/not to do. In the mean time, I had them order me one.
Sorry - didn't read close enough (skimming BF in between stuff at work). They sell rear wheels too.
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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
Did you run over the nail and have it go through the rim? I had that happen with a bolt that I didn't see on the road. I must have just touched it with the front tire, just enough so that it popped up just as the rear went over it. It went through the tire, the tube, and the rim. Whacked the hell out of the back brake before I could stop.

But it was obvious what happened. It sounds like you don't really know, or you're being coy. Did you examine the tire and wheel?

My bolt went through the rim 'floor' between the sidewalls but didn't damage the rim in any other way (except a few gouges that I could ignore). So when I got home and pulled it out with a pair of pliers, I just taped over the hole with some fiberglass strapping tape and put on a new rim strip.


EDIT: never mind, you explained while I was writing. Y'all post fast!
Walking the bike on the rim with a flat tire shouldn't have damaged it beyond use.
I didn't examine it that closely, and I should have. I was pretty PO'd at the time, and figured all I needed was a new tire... and dropped it off at the LBS for a tune-up as well. Got the bad news call today
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