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Old 08-21-18, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 69chevy

They make one but itís $450. Iíve been watching eBay like a hawk.
$450 is insane. I hate proprietary posts for that reason.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
$450 is insane. I hate proprietary posts for that reason.
They were smart with this though. All bikes are sold with setbacks so thereís no used market for zero offsets. 🤦🏻*♂️
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Originally Posted by 69chevy

They were smart with this though. All bikes are sold with setbacks so thereís no used market for zero offsets. 🤦🏻*♂️
Trek did the same thing, but a zero setback post topper is only $139.
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Originally Posted by 69chevy

Mineís sized perfectly and fitted perfectly.
Thatís exactly what I thought when I saw the picture of your bike too. Not.
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Originally Posted by jitteringjr
Thatís exactly what I thought when I saw the picture of your bike too. Not.
Care to point out why my bike doesnít fit? Because I need a zero setback post? Iím aware. But my saddle position is dialed in. My reach is dialed in. A smaller frame will still have the seat so high I need a zero setback post and then would need a 140mm stem...
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Originally Posted by 69chevy

Care to point out why my bike doesn’t fit? Because I need a zero setback post? I’m aware. But my saddle position is dialed in. My reach is dialed in. A smaller frame will still have the seat so high I need a zero setback post and then would need a 140mm stem...
The fact that I could ski off the saddle in colder weather is a start. You don’t need a smaller bike, you need a larger one or maybe gain some flexibility and keep the current size but at least from the photo, the down angle on the saddle looks silly.
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Originally Posted by 69chevy

Care to point out why my bike doesn’t fit? Because I need a zero setback post? I’m aware. But my saddle position is dialed in. My reach is dialed in. A smaller frame will still have the seat so high I need a zero setback post and then would need a 140mm stem...
With a zero setback post the clamps would be right in the middle of the saddle where it is right now, which would be perfect. but if your saddle is uncomfortable that you need to slope it maybe you should look for a more comfortable saddle?

Do you have short femurs? Maybe you can try putting the saddle back a bit and lowering the seat
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With a zero setback post the clamps would be right in the middle of the saddle where it is right now, which would be perfect. but if your saddle is uncomfortable that you need to slope it maybe you should look for a more comfortable saddle?

Do you have short femurs? Maybe you can try putting the saddle back a bit and lowering the seat
My inseam is 36Ē. The higher the seat the further it moves back. My femurs are pretty long.

My saddle is very comfortable but when I stay down in the drops the bar drop is so far below the seat I get numbness on any saddle Iíve tried. The 2 degree tilt helps with that considerably.
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The Pinarello is really a super nice bike.

Just put some Vittoria's on it, fix the saddle issue and get rid of the fishnet stockings used for bar tape and it would be 10/10.


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I think the Pinarello is hot. Saddle tilt doesn't bother me and post issue is being addressed.
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I also really like the classic Vortex, but it needs black cranks and fewer spacers to be hot.

When I was in the market for my first high(er) end road bike, I wanted a Tuscany or Vortex.
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Originally Posted by 69chevy

My inseam is 36Ē. The higher the seat the further it moves back. My femurs are pretty long.

My saddle is very comfortable but when I stay down in the drops the bar drop is so far below the seat I get numbness on any saddle Iíve tried. The 2 degree tilt helps with that considerably.
What saddle is it? With that much drop, a full cutout saddle might help.
I ended up going from an SLR Carbonio (10 years ago), to an SLR Flow Carbonio (3-4 years ago)... to an SLR SuperFlow (non gel) today.

The full cutout isn't available in carbon, so I picked up 60 grams in saddle weight... but I didn't really have much choice. And the full cutouts definitely fixed 95% of the ninglies.
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Originally Posted by 69chevy
I think the bike could look much better if (1) a few spacers were put under the stem and then the stem was replaced with a straight stem (not angled downwards) thereby resulting in the same difference between saddle height and bar height, and (2) the saddle wasnt pushed all the way forward. There is no way the fit is correct for that bike if the saddle must be pushed all the way forward. Maybe the fit is technically correct right now with the saddle position, but that just means that the frame itself does not fit you.
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Originally Posted by harrisonk
There is no way the fit is correct for that bike if the saddle must be pushed all the way forward.
That'd be incorrect. There's a reason that there are zero-setback posts, and it's not because everybody that uses one is incorrectly fit on their bike. With a zero-setback post, the clamps would likely be in the middle of his saddle rails.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
That'd be incorrect. There's a reason that there are zero-setback posts, and it's not because everybody that uses one is incorrectly fit on their bike. With a zero-setback post, the clamps would likely be in the middle of his saddle rails.
Thus, there is no way the fit is correct for that bike including that seat post.
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Old 08-23-18, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by harrisonk
I think the bike could look much better if (1) a few spacers were put under the stem and then the stem was replaced with a straight stem (not angled downwards).
The stem is not sloping down. It's a -17 degree stem, and a 73 degree head tube.
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Originally Posted by harrisonk
Thus, there is no way the fit is correct for that bike including that seat post.
This issue has already been addressed by the owner.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
The stem is not sloping down. It's a -17 degree stem, and a 73 degree head tube.
-17˚ means its 17˚ angled downward, correct? I must be missing something.
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Old 08-23-18, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by harrisonk
-17˚ means its 17˚ angled downward, correct? I must be missing something.
do the math

17 + 73 = ?

the stem is level with the ground
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Originally Posted by harrisonk
Thus, there is no way the fit is correct for that bike including that seat post.
You specifically said (my bolding) -

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but that just means that the frame itself does not fit you.
...which is incorrect. If you want to move the goalposts, fine, but your original assertion is wrong.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
You specifically said (my bolding) -



...which is incorrect. If you want to move the goalposts, fine, but your original assertion is wrong.
You're right. I misspoke.
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If you think my bike is ugly, thatís fine with me and say so freely. If you think Iím on the wrong size because I need a zero setback post please let the owner of this bike know he should ditch his zero setback post and try a new frame size. Iím sure heíll agree and level his seat while heís at it. This is the ugly or not thread, not the insult the owner cause you think the bike doesnít fit him when it does thread.

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That'd be incorrect. There's a reason that there are zero-setback posts, and it's not because everybody that uses one is incorrectly fit on their bike. With a zero-setback post, the clamps would likely be in the middle of his saddle rails.
Maybe I am just too old school but adjusting the saddle position should be for the body placement over the cranks and not seat to handlebar reach. At least from the look of the bike, it seems like the owner is trying to compensate for the latter. It looks to me like the owner is trying to fit his bike in a position too aggressively (slammed stem) in the saddle to bar drop aspect for his current level of flexibility. I'd really like to see a picture of the rider on the bike to confirm this or to debunk my theory either way.
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Originally Posted by jitteringjr
Maybe I am just too old school but adjusting the saddle position should be for the body placement over the cranks and not seat to handlebar reach. At least from the look of the bike, it seems like the owner is trying to compensate for the latter. It looks to me like the owner is trying to fit his bike in a position too aggressively (slammed stem) in the saddle to bar drop aspect for his current level of flexibility. I'd really like to see a picture of the rider on the bike to confirm this or to debunk my theory either way.
Thatís not old school or incorrect. Itís spot on. The saddle is tall. The higher it goes the further back it moves. It is exactly where I need it to position myself in relation to the B.B.

The stem puts the bars exactly where my long arms reach to and puts me right where I want my reach to be.

The post looks out of place a bit because it is. Like I said Iím on the hunt for a zero setback post but the $450 price tag has me shopping around for a more reasonable price.
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Originally Posted by 69chevy
This is the ugly or not thread, not the insult the owner cause you think the bike doesnít fit him when it does thread.
Nobody insulted you.

We said your bike isn't hot, looks silly, doesn't fit, could downhill ski off the saddle, etc.

The only thing said about you was that maybe you need to gain flexibility and a question about the length of your femur.


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