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Old 01-02-16, 10:40 PM
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Here's another issue with mounting the cage in the frame. I ride a small frame and getting the bottle in and out of the cage requires some wrestling. The bottle hits the top tube and I feel like I'm going to break the cage.
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Old 01-02-16, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Xherion
Hot bike. Can you enlighten me if you needed to take out the bottom bracket adapter to fit the Shimano cranks? I have the same crankset and haven't been able to find out any info on the adapter and what shell Kestrel uses on their frames?
I did not try to use the Kestrel bb with the Shimano crank. I did not look at it closely, but it was not Shimano. I replaced it with the Shimano bsa.
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Old 01-02-16, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny01
I get it. You don't like the sofa or the bike. Honestly I don't like the sofa either, that's why it's in a storage room. And the saddle bag, I can't stand bike mounted man satchels. They don't belong on road bikes. I've never seen one that isn't ugly. XLAB doesn't make anything like the Aeroclam that I have mounted. They make ugly satchels like every other brand. So it (the Aeroclam) is definitely not tri, TT, or "XLAB style". OTOH you have a point regarding the bottle cage position. Its not there to be aero, like it is on tri bikes when placed between the aero bars. Actually it probably adds more drag than having it on the down tube since I don't have aero bars. But its there because I hate reaching down to grab my bottle. I'd rather reach for the bottle in my middle jersey pocket than on the downtube. I looked at handlebar mount cage holders, they all looked dorky. This was the cleanest way to mount it somewhere easily reachable.

I've spent a bit of time going back and looking at A LOT of HOT bikes on this thread, but it seems every time I came across one of your replies, it was always negative. Come on, you must think some of these bikes ARE pretty HOT.
I like the sofa and actually have two XLAB satchel style (as you put it) saddle bags. You are absolutely right about the look of some of the bags out there - many look like rebranded ladies handbags or canvas tool boxes from Home Depot. I miss my Pedro's Blowout Bag.

Now that you have pointed out the brand and I looked at it online, I think the Aeroclam is pretty cool. We can argue whether the XLAB Aero Pouch 300 is "like" the Aeroclam and it might be semantics but I think it is similar in appearance.

Not all negative. I thought the Litespeed with level top tube in post 21749 was hot and said so. The Super Six EVO in post 21762 was hot even from the factory and I told the owner that it was sexy. There are many nice bikes but few are truly hot, that's all. If you put your bike out there on the HrN thread then you have to be ready to take some criticism. I'm sorry if my comments upset you but you can't get all bent out of shape here. You have an extremely nice bike and there is a guy near me who rides a truly hot Talon.

Try a flatter 17° stem before you cut the steerer.

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Old 01-02-16, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
I like the sofa and actually have two XLAB satchel style (as you put it) saddle bags. You are absolutely right about the look of some of the bags out there - many look like rebranded ladies handbags or canvas tool boxes from Home Depot. I miss my Pedro's Blowout Bag.

Now that you have pointed out the brand and I looked at it online, I think the Aeroclam is pretty cool. We can argue whether the XLAB Aero Pouch 300 is "like" the Aeroclam and it might be semantics but I think it is similar in appearance.
The XLAB Aero Pouch 300, apart from the branding, actually isn't THAT ugly and looks like a good solution to my bottle cage position problem. That or one of the dual cage saddle mounts with one holding a pod to replace the Aeroclam's contents. Do you think seat post mounted cages are okay on road bikes? Seems "more tri" than a stem mounted cage. Maybe I'll try a side load bottle cage on the down tube, but I'm not too confident in those not turning my bottle into a projectile.

Originally Posted by TimothyH
Not all negative. I thought the Litespeed with level top tube in post 21749 was hot and said so. The Super Six EVO in post 21762 was hot even from the factory and I told the owner that it was sexy. There are many nice bikes but few are truly hot, that's all. If you put your bike out there on the HrN thread then you have to be ready to take some criticism. I'm sorry if my comments upset you but you can't get all bent out of shape here. You have an extremely nice bike and there is a guy near me who rides a truly hot Talon.
OK I didn't read every post you made on this thread. My bad.

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Old 01-03-16, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Danny01
2016 Kestrel Talon 105 with full Ultegra, Chinese 60mm rear 50mm front wheels, aero saddle "bag", top cap mount bottle cage.
I need to slam that stem though...



Lukewarm. The bike is hot. That cage contraption that you have going on, that is a complete fail. Try a side entry cage for the frame, something like the Specialized Zee cage. Should clean that mess on the handlebars up rather nicely. Is that saddle angle really how you ride?
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Old 01-03-16, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Lukewarm. The bike is hot. That cage contraption that you have going on, that is a complete fail. Try a side entry cage for the frame, something like the Specialized Zee cage. Should clean that mess on the handlebars up rather nicely. Is that saddle angle really how you ride?
Yeah that's how I rode for the last 5-6 rides. Boys felt better, but I felt like I was sliding off here and there.
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Originally Posted by Danny01
Yeah that's how I rode for the last 5-6 rides. Boys felt better, but I felt like I was sliding off here and there.
That's because it is angled down too far. Try angling it up more. Most people I know and ride with have them completely level. Mine are like that on all of my bikes regardless of what type.
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Quick question. I see people talking about slamming their stems. What does that mean?
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Originally Posted by kkapdolee
Quick question. I see people talking about slamming their stems. What does that mean?
That there are no spacers between the headset bearing cover and the stem.

For example:



It's usually seen as more 'racy', and therefore more attractive.
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Originally Posted by raisinberry777
That there are no spacers between the headset bearing cover and the stem.

For example:



It's usually seen as more 'racy', and therefore more attractive.
I've read that you should have a minimum of a 5mm spacer on the top and bottom.
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Old 01-03-16, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2
I've read that you should have a minimum of a 5mm spacer on the top and bottom.
Not for photo shoots in the 41.
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Old 01-03-16, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kkapdolee
Quick question. I see people talking about slamming their stems. What does that mean?
Slammed.

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On the slammed stem thing... what does the 41 brain trust say about choice of A) Slam stem but have to flip stem so it's angled upward, vs. B) Don't slam stem but have a couple spacers or so, but with stem flipped so it's in its downward angled position ?
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Slammed.

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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Slammed.

Slammed or not, who cares? You could put ape hangers on that bike and it would still be HAWT.
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Old 01-03-16, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
On the slammed stem thing... what does the 41 brain trust say about choice of A) Slam stem but have to flip stem so it's angled upward, vs. B) Don't slam stem but have a couple spacers or so, but with stem flipped so it's in its downward angled position ?
Curious about this as well...
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Definitely flipped with spacers under the stem looks better than slammed with the stem upward (IMO). I'm no good at physics, but I'd expect the former would actually handle better for most people than the latter.
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Originally Posted by Xherion
Hot bike. Can you enlighten me if you needed to take out the bottom bracket adapter to fit the Shimano cranks? I have the same crankset and haven't been able to find out any info on the adapter and what shell Kestrel uses on their frames?
Oval cranks use a SRAM-style spindle that tapers at the end. The drive side bottom bracket bearing has an inside diameter of 24mm; the non-drive side is 22mm. You'll need a Shimano BB, where both bearings are 24mm, for a Shimano crank.
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Slammed.


So Effing Hot!
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I seriously wish that BMC was mine. I would love it. I would take care of it. I would ride it.
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Slammed.

A bit too loud for my tastes, but HOT!! I would hang it on my wall but probably never ride it.
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That BMC , is that the rock band Stryper's bike?
https://www.christianrocktruth.net/wp...r_stryper.jpeg
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2
Not all matte black bikes are "Aero" bikes.



Don't be a H@TER
The more I look at this pic, the hotter it gets(except for the satchel). The subtle red accents... sexy. Sram Red looks so damn good.
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Originally Posted by Danny01
The more I look at this pic, the hotter it gets(except for the satchel). The subtle red accents... sexy. Sram Red looks so damn good.
That was taken during a ride and not a posed picture.

In the saddle bag is a spare tube, 2 tire levers, 2 CO2 with a head, a multi tool and a tire boot. Just a bit too much to carry in my jersey pocket.

Is this better? It's the day i got it.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
On the slammed stem thing... what does the 41 brain trust say about choice of A) Slam stem but have to flip stem so it's angled upward, vs. B) Don't slam stem but have a couple spacers or so, but with stem flipped so it's in its downward angled position ?
On a bike with a sloped top tube the stem looks best when it is parallel with the top tube, that is to say, angled up. Saying that this looks best however, does not mean that it looks good. It's simply the best one can do with a sloping top tube which is an objectively poor aesthetic design. Most compound the poor aesthetic by angling the bars up to match the stem which in turn points the hoods at the sky. The whole look can get rather cartoonish on bikes with steeply sloped top tubes.

The bumble bee themed BMC hits the mark even with a sloping top tube. The handlebar is level as it is supposed to be. The shallow slope on the top tube helps this bike a lot.

None of this however, will ever look as good as a bike with a level top tube and stem to match.

Red, yellow or chrome bikes are allowed to break the above rules in proportion to the gloss of the paint.

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