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Pedaleur 10-01-08 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by campag4life (Post 7577789)
i think the difference in opinion throughout this entire thread can be distilled down to brain hemisphere dominance. If you see the girl spinning cw, you are right brain dominant. Ccw= left brain and of course pcad is disqualified for not having a brain. :) if you read the ny times of course it is speculated the above is reverse.

nsfw!!! ;)

edit: Why the **** does this stupid software de-capitalize "NSFW"? Sure, it's a stupid joke, but I know how to write, dammit.

Campag4life 10-01-08 03:24 AM


Originally Posted by Pedaleur (Post 7581151)
nsfw!!! ;)

edit: Why the **** does this stupid software de-capitalize "NSFW"? Sure, it's a stupid joke, but I know how to write, dammit.

You need a new job. ;) An anthropological question is...does her facial bone structure match her physiology? I believe it does. Yes…I am fairly right brained.

DrPete 10-01-08 06:19 AM

I keep looking at it and I can't even see how it's possible to think the woman is moving anything but counterclockwise.

rankin116 10-01-08 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 7581508)
I keep looking at it and I can't even see how it's possible to think the woman is moving anything but counterclockwise.

I feel the same way, but I was next to a person who said otherwise. Weird.

thump55 10-01-08 06:46 AM

reminds me...
 

Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 7581508)
I keep looking at it and I can't even see how it's possible to think the woman is moving anything but counterclockwise.

Reminds me of a class long argument with a teacher in high school about which way the earth rotates, CW, or CCW. He couldn't grasp that it depends on your point of view. (From the top, CW; from the bottom, CCW)

ElJamoquio 10-01-08 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 7577324)
You should pick up a Cervelo RS. Very comfortable ride, relaxed geometry, and not made in Taiwan.

Ouch.

ElJamoquio 10-01-08 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by thump55 (Post 7581600)
Reminds me of a class long argument with a teacher in high school about which way the earth rotates, CW, or CCW. He couldn't grasp that it depends on your point of view. (From the top, CW; from the bottom, CCW)

Bingo. I don't even know which one we're defining.

DrPete 10-01-08 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by thump55 (Post 7581600)
Reminds me of a class long argument with a teacher in high school about which way the earth rotates, CW, or CCW. He couldn't grasp that it depends on your point of view. (From the top, CW; from the bottom, CCW)

The woman is being viewed from the side. CW and CCW look the same from any angle.

ElJamoquio 10-01-08 07:08 AM

Think about looking from the absolute top or the absolute bottom.

Or thread a screw into a hole from the top. And then the bottom.

Campag4life 10-01-08 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 7581508)
I keep looking at it and I can't even see how it's possible to think the woman is moving anything but counterclockwise.

Difference in brain dominance Doc...no surprise you are left brained given your profession. What is surprising though is I only see the lady spinning CW which means right brain dominance...which belies the linear thinking of many engineers but I am a bit outside the norm in terms of creativity. Also...the following NY times article castes major aspersion on which way the lady spins relative to profession which generally but not always correlates brain dominance to specific professions. If you believe the left brain correlation to specific vocations per the stereotype, this small sample proves the opposite:

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.co...ncer-teach-us/

Durward_Kirby 10-01-08 07:15 AM

First she's going CW and the CCW. I'm one of those people who has a dominant left eye, writes right-handed, leads with their left leg. I'm not really in either side for very long....

DrPete 10-01-08 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by ElJamoquio (Post 7581712)
Think about looking from the absolute top or the absolute bottom.

Or thread a screw into a hole from the top. And then the bottom.

Maybe it's because it's a human figure, and even if the image were rotated 180 degrees and it looked like the woman was rotating clockwise, I'd still say CCW because of the way the woman is oriented. Kinda similar to CT scans, where the patien's left is on the right side of the image.

Campag4life 10-01-08 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by ElJamoquio (Post 7581712)
Think about looking from the absolute top or the absolute bottom.

Or thread a screw into a hole from the top. And then the bottom.

If those that responded can't even understand CW versus CCW as viewed from the dancer's perspective, then they fall into the Pcad school of deduction and therefore are disqualified.

Campag4life 10-01-08 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by Durward_Kirby (Post 7581755)
First she's going CW and the CCW. I'm one of those people who has a dominant left eye, writes right-handed, leads with their left leg. I'm not really in either side for very long....

Some people can will themselves to see it in either direction like you do. That shows more of a balance of hemispheres.

thump55 10-01-08 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 7581701)
The woman is being viewed from the side. CW and CCW look the same from any angle.

She can't be spinning either way viewed from the "side". Your brain chooses to look at her from the top, or the bottom (in a 3D sort of way) to determine if she is going CW or CCW.

Spin a top on a glass table. From above, if it is spinning CW, it will be spinning CCW when looked at from the bottom, underneath the table. Same with the earth, imagine a clock at the equator. When looking at it from the North Pole, the with the numbers facing you, it is spinning CW. When you look at it from the South pole (with the numbers facing you), it is spinning CCW. It alll depends on your vantage point.

The dancers perspective has nothing to do with it.

Campag4life 10-01-08 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by thump55 (Post 7582019)
The dancers perspective has nothing to do with it.

You were doing pretty well until you stated the above. CW and CCW "convention" to assess left or right brain is as would be applied from the dancer's perspective. That is the convention and the basis for comparison how you see her spinning...not from underneath the dancer...but from above as the dancer would look down at her feet....a pretty obvious given that seems to escape some.

2manybikes 10-01-08 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Campag4life (Post 7581122)
Its means you are one of the rare enlightened individuals with equal development of the left and right side of your brain melding creativity and linear thinking. But that notion is somewhat discarded because you asked. ;)

I actually knew that.

I did not want to seem conceited, and I wanted to see what you would say too. :)

thump55 10-01-08 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Campag4life (Post 7577789)
I think the difference in opinion throughout this entire thread can be distilled down to brain hemisphere dominance. If you see the girl spinning CW, you are Right Brain dominant. CCW= Left Brain and of course Pcad is disqualified for not having a brain. :) If you read the NY Times of course it is speculated the above is reverse.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...30937A7C9F.gif

I see nothing in the original statement regarding "dancer's perspective". I simply submit that there is no correct answer.

DrPete 10-01-08 12:19 PM

All I know is that she looks like the type that would wheel her bike through a hotel lobby. That b!tch. :D

thump55 10-01-08 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 7583943)
All I know is that she looks like the type that would wheel her bike through a hotel lobby. That b!tch. :D

I agree. Leave it to a woman who doesn't even exist to start an argument between grown men. I bet she's all into herself and everything...and I'm sure she's sucking her gut in.

Campag4life 10-01-08 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by thump55 (Post 7583647)
I see nothing in the original statement regarding "dancer's perspective". I simply submit that there is no correct answer.

Without dissecting this to death...obvious to most and apparently not all...
Agree there is no correct answer when it comes to convention regarding clockwise or counterclockwise rotation but there is an intuitive one and that is the direction of rotation from the eyes of the dancer. Most understand that convention intuitively. As to which way the dancer is rotating independent of convention chosen to define direction of rotation, there is no correct answer there because of course each processes the dancer's rotation based upon brain hemisphere dominance.

Campag4life 10-01-08 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by thump55 (Post 7584169)
I agree. Leave it to a woman who doesn't even exist to start an argument between grown men. I bet she's all into herself and everything...and I'm sure she's sucking her gut in.

All I know is I would try to draft her. :D

ElJamoquio 10-01-08 12:59 PM

'The eyes of the dancer'. The eyes of the dancer are perpendicular to the axis of rotation, so I'm not sure how that defines CCW vs. CW.







And I demand we continue talking about it.

mattm 10-01-08 01:07 PM

i don't believe the whole CW/CCW left/right brain thing. sounds like pop psychology to me.

discuss.

Campag4life 10-01-08 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by ElJamoquio (Post 7584225)
'The eyes of the dancer'. The eyes of the dancer are perpendicular to the axis of rotation, so I'm not sure how that defines CCW vs. CW.

And I demand we continue talking about it.

Scary. Are you the guy who strips out his pedals tightening them when you should be loosening? :twitchy:


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