Then, what exactly is the point of the internet?

Speaking of pathetic, try peeking into some psychology forums about ramming your self-described morality down other people's throats.

But there's no Zen in that my little cuda. Where's the Self Loathing?

Texas is for wussy

Yeah, post 19 of that awful thread - go back and read it BillyD: "Finally, get some thicker skin . . . this is the internet after all."

And if Luuuke was looking for a mentor he should have gone back to the Scout leader who abused him all those years.

I kept reading this entire thread hoping to find that one, little, golden nugget that would make the whole thread worth reading. I never found it.

I think I found it...

Thank you bd. Communicating without vocalizing is easy to misinterpret.

A thread about a thread about a thread starter who is 99% likely to be a troll.

don't hold your breath..

Troll or not, is it really a good example of how a community should conduct itself? If it was a troll, then we shouldn't feed it. If he was really looking for feedback, would you like to be treated like that if you were in the same shoes (not having been in / knowing the "roadie" culture for years or longer...)

You need thick skin on the internets, but you don't have to be the cause for the need for thick skin.

Or maybe some of you do need to be that person...

Missed the thread. Missed most of the discussion. been kind of busy lately and fallen out of the top 10 weekly posters on here....sad I know...but in general, as I have said time and time again before, road cycling is just this way.

Roadies have been less than affectionate to newcomers for as long as I have been around the sport (not a ton of time but up to 20 years now). You can say it's for all sorts of reasons - a feeling of fraternity, hazing, safety reasons (scare the squirrels aways), etc but in the end it's just part of the scene.

To expect a roadie based forum to be any different would be kind of silly and unrealistic at best.

Many of us do actually know how to welcome in new riders at the same time we're bustin their balls though.

maybe I'm just dense but I don't see what was so offensive in that thread, at least the the point where the op responded and freaked out. Enlighten me, please. I'm totally serious.

umd, a lot of the people didn't see it as offensive. But the newbie did. But then again a lot of the people here are used the to the ribbing. He wasn't. That's all it really is.

He would have gone at some point (probably soon), someone with see through skin never lasts long on the internet.

This nonsense about the "roadie culture" is just that.

Nonsense, and a convenient excuse for people to act like idiots.

I started racing at the age of 14.

That was 35 years ago.

I have never in all my years been exposed to, or been around people who exhibit the types of personality or behaviour seen on this forum.

Rather, there is a quiet pride and respect and knowledge of things shared.

The behaviour and personalities that show on this forum, are inexcuseable, and would be in any day-care or kindergarten.

Shameful really.

"Roadie Culture" ? No. Childish, name calling sand box culture? Yes.

I guess I just don't see how we can expect to change something if we don't see the problem. The op of this thread apparently saw some great evil on that thread and I would like to know why that was. I can be blunt but I'm not usually trying to be mean so if there really was some problem I'd like to do my part to fix it, but as much as I'm trying I'm just not seeing it.

8 pages of nothing all because one kid had a skin thin as a saran wrap. Jeez people.

They were getting paid to do so. BF isn't.

They can do that without ever getting flamed by simply shutting their mouths and opening their ears for a while before they post or start threads. Why is that so hard?

Excellent observation.

The absolute worse was the OCP fad. It was like hanging with a bunch of dimwit high school girls.

If you (the collective you) are silent, how do you know you are the majority? And what makes you entitled to anyone's free help?

I think we're about ready for another good waving thread.

Wow. Do you have something you'd like to share with us? Or maybe a psychiatrist can help. :twitchy:

I was going to post this in a new thread but I decided this thread was the place for it:
I understand that people were a bit aggressive in the other thread, some of it I agree with, some I don't. What I do think is a low shot however is this post the mod Brian just put in.
Weak, you know what's weak? Using your powers as a moderator to post a shot at another member in a thread you know he can't reply in because it's locked. The other thread was dead, had been locked for nearly a day, and is being discussed in this easy to find thread. Why put it there?

And oddly, after 20 years around the NY Metro Area racing scene, I'd say BF is quite reflective of Road Culture (or the utter lack thereof) here in my area. On the other hand there aren't too many Ned Flanders types here in NY. It's the American Ahole Festival. I fit right in. We like it that way. And we don't care what anybody thinks about it. They can suck my friggin wheel if they don't like it.

I'm on other forums where any hint of incivility or ball busting is not tolerated. They are so boring I hardly frequent them. LIGHTEN THE F UP and you might actually have some fun. What a friggin concept. Is there some 11th Commandment against Fun in Flyover Land? I mean, that has to be it.

Nobody gets their balls busted more than me here. You don't see me wringing my hands, running to the mods, getting my racing bib in a twist or complaining about it. I fire back, have the occasional flame war and let the rest roll off my back. Why would I take anything here seriously? It's an Internet Forum for God's sake, not The Meaning of Life. And if you should develop a thicker skin (say thicker than .000001") and you get to know some of the regulars who probably piss you off so much, you'd find they're very caring and intelligent men and women who know how to support each other when the **** actually hits the fan and help people who have legitimate questions and concerns about road cycling, along with the decades of experience to offer some useful advice. Hey, that's just like all those Road Nazi aholes I've been riding and racing with since 1990 or so. Tough exterior, big mushes underneath.

When do you find the time?

That is an excellent question. I'm not on them much jcc.

In real life, your correct. Alas, this is intertube high school, complete with towel snapping prom queen drama.

As someone who works in both of these environments, I'd agree. Four and five year-olds don't know nearly as many mean words.