first off, spouting hyperbolic company lines like 'the most tested athlete of all time' doesn't help, because it isn't true. A quick google will show it isn't. Second people don't understand the nature of testing or taking. Floyd got caught not because he used just that one time (I did not inhale), but because he screwed things up and what he was taking became detectable. Besides, from a pure logic stand point previous negative tests aren't a standard for future negative tests. There was a certain famous belgium rider who got caught during his swan song. He only used because he needed the extra edge because he was over the hill.

I thought these.

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I guess I am guilty of being hyperbolic to make my point. Do you think that Lance has been tested a lot in his rein of 7 tours in a row?...lol. Don't really want to take the time to debate each point as it has all been hashed on here many times. Perhaps you believe Lance to be a doper.
All I say to you is prove it.
That's all. I might suspect you to be drug dealer. I have no proof however.

Good point Cuda....He probably has more to lose than most riders

Is it really a glaring violation of testing protocol to ask the guy to wait 20-30 minutes while his credentials are verified? Maybe so. Sounds like much ado about nothing. Somebody show me the EXACT WORDING IN THE RULES that makes Lance's conduct a violation and maybe I'll come around.

It's a big Kabuki Dance of Mirrors. Reminds me of the relationship between Americans and the IRS, actually.

It really is...and been going on for many years and we don't know a quarter of the dance he has had to perform to not only survive but win. The great irony in all this...is the french have always been their own worse enemy. What they do only tightens Lance's resolve to train harder and win. I am more astounded that Lance hasn't been hurt by a french fan during a race in an effort to upset his dominance than caught cheating for using drugs.

I have 'followers'?

http://miniblogs.lv/wp-content/uploa...1/mr_burns.jpg

Personally, I think Floyd's "positive" was a false positive. The use of the drug for one day makes zero sense, the testosterone test is flawed, and that lab was completely f**ked up.

why are you attacking an entire nation for the behavior of one organization?

I thought it was wrong, but google liked it.
Thanks.

You know, not for nothing, but they test him to see if he is or isn't. What I believe is irrelevant. You were the one arguing that based on the fact that he hadn't been caught he was clearly not a violator, and ostensibly he should be excused from testing.

Actually the one who ****ed up was Floyd. He was clearly using it all along and simply screwed up his masking.

Sorry, you are completely correct. I will modify my post.

Brother...man. Wow. Talk about a leap of judgement. Excused from testing?
Mind if I don't respond?
Have fun.

Proof or hyperbole?
Yikes.

Second paragraph.

Do they work? Or is it merely a threat?

They could work...

No offense I honestly don't care what you do. I actually know what I'm talking about. There's about a million things on the banned list for no other reason than they mask the use of PEDs. Floyd's camp tried to put out that he wouldn't have used testosterone because it wouldn't be of benefit to an endurance athlete (false) and then that it wouldn't be of use just one time (also false but also misleading in that getting caught once doesn't prove that he wasn't on it all along). It's actually far more likely and logical that he messed up the dose, his body responded differently due to the stress of bonking the day before, or that something went awry with his masking agent. These aren't wild speculations but more logical and fact based explanations of how someone who failed a test did so. Of course, it could have been the jack daniels :rolleyes:

More like "stalkers"...

;)

Floyd - I suspect his test was a true positive. If it was a one-time thing or a long term program we may never know. The way things were handled on both sides were so poorly done that it cast very long shadows in both directions and short of time travel or mind reading, doubt the complete truth will ever be fully known.

Armstrong - he should be tested in line with any other athlete he is in competition with. I don't know how they choose which riders to test in these unannounced tests. If it is random, then someone has stacked the odds against Armstrong. French anti-doping / cycling authorities - and likely members of the Government - (but perhaps not the French as a whole, as Botto pointed out) have a history of poorly run labs and mistakes, in addition to appearing to have an agenda against Armstrong. Those two combined would certainly make any athlete wary of people showing up unannounced to take your blood, etc - and make you quick to respond when they accuse you of "bad behavior" even after you complied with their requests once their authority had been confirmed.

What's wrong with Leaps of Judgement?

Hey, worked for D. Cheney.

Sorry RW.

Go Steelers.

Yeah, this tread is more interesting with turrets.

F Lance. I can turn this into a thread about me by noon.

Well, that settles it. Lance is guilty. Someone should pop all of his tires and switch out the Trek's for a bunch of rusty old Huffy's.

It's really not too difficult to imagine how this went down. Armstrong, used to being tested by WADA /UCI is put off by the French guy showing up. Responds along the lines of F'U. Takes a bit of time to sort out, before its clear he has to submit to the test.

French guys respond back with "no F'U" by raising this little pissing contest (no pun intended).

Armstrong's known for being less than tactful on occassion, and I'm betting he pissed them off.

Landis had multiple positives for artificial testosterone. He had one test that had the ratios screwed up so they did further testing and found artificial testosterone. Further testing on his other samples showed artificial testosterone.

Yeah. I laughed at that too. Since when has an oath stopped someone from lying/becoming corrupted, etc?

Judges in this country take oaths, some of them are crooked. Same with policemen, politicians, and just about everyone else.

We'll need more popcorn for this thread. I'm settling in. I see 20+ pages coming.

Every day I get up and chuckle a bit more.

BTW...I was glad to see that Eric Holder legally supported the Article II Executive Powers and said wiretaps, (the ones that were unconstitutional last year) will continue.

But I digress...

:D