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Originally Posted by patentcad
(Post 8697253)
We'll need more popcorn for this thread. I'm settling in. I see 20+ pages coming.
Lance is a Texan, of course he doesn't take any BS. |
Try to behave you Red State Road Nazi. But wait, now you live in a Blue State.
Oh well. Like I said, Go Steelers. By the way, the Undefeated Mets' Magic Number is now 160. |
Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 8697104)
No offense I honestly don't care what you do. I actually know what I'm talking about. There's about a million things on the banned list for no other reason than they mask the use of PEDs. Floyd's camp tried to put out that he wouldn't have used testosterone because it wouldn't be of benefit to an endurance athlete (false) and then that it wouldn't be of use just one time (also false but also misleading in that getting caught once doesn't prove that he wasn't on it all along). It's actually far more likely and logical that he messed up the dose, his body responded differently due to the stress of bonking the day before, or that something went awry with his masking agent. These aren't wild speculations but more logical and fact based explanations of how someone who failed a test did so. Of course, it could have been the jack daniels :rolleyes:
Really...you believe what you like as you don't have any proof to your supposition but I agree its plausible. There is a big difference between Floyd and Lance. Floyd was caught. His bonk and then dominance suggested something wasn't right and quite possibly he cheated. I give you that. He may not have cheated and possibly was framed but likely he did cheat. The difference with Lance is...the most winning and loathed rider by the French (leap) of all time in their race..is the guy has been tested a lot and never found to have cheated. Some can't accept that Lance's genetic gifts and work ethic trump a need to cheat when the converse has never been proven. |
Originally Posted by patentcad
(Post 8697294)
Try to behave you Red State Road Nazi. But wait, now you live in a Blue State.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life
(Post 8697346)
Is that your proof?...lol.
Really...you believe what you like as you don't have any proof to your supposition but I agree its plausible. There is a big difference between Floyd and Lance. Floyd was caught. His bonk and then dominance suggested something wasn't right and quite possibly he cheated. I give you that. He may not have cheated and possibly was framed but likely he did cheat. The difference with Lance is...the most winning and loathed rider by the French (leap) of all time in their race..is the guy has been tested a lot and never found to have cheated. Some can't accept that Lance's genetic gifts and work ethic trump a need to cheat when the converse has never been proven.
Originally Posted by classic1
(Post 8697184)
Landis had multiple positives for artificial testosterone. He had one test that had the ratios screwed up so they did further testing and found artificial testosterone. Further testing on his other samples showed artificial testosterone.
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If Lance doped/dopes, why does that diminish any of his accomplishments?
As we've pretty much estabilshed, he won 7 Tours during one of the peaks in doping for the sport (which has ebbed and flowed for about five decades now). They were basically all doing it. |
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
(Post 8697370)
Not for long.
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I wonder if Lance did break the testing rules? I know he came up negative, but what are the rules when someone comes to you for a random test? If you are required to standby the tester without leaving his site. I am sure Lance knew this. These guys know the rules, it's fine that they were getting the credentials of the tester but why create the suspicion by leaving for 20 mins?
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
(Post 8696800)
He takes all the tests, he has never been proven guilty, he is good for the sport.
Look at the Google trends for "trek bicycles": http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=t...eekly_img&sa=N It's not hard to notice the "Lance effect" in July, when he was and wasn't racing. In 2004 Backroads filled 22 trips to the TdF. In 2007, they ran one trip. Trek Travel had 500 guests in 2004, only 150 in 2007. Lance effect? Primarily, I think. Tour de France Marketing Hits Uphill Stage Then there's Tour of California. Attendance in 2008 was 1.6 million, but jumped to 2 million with Lance's arrival in 2009. |
Since they can't find a positive test, they have to resort to something like this?
Absolutely, positively pathetic. |
Personally, I honestly believe "the French*" will do whatever it takes to keep LA out of the race.
* - ASO, French media, drug testers, public. |
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
(Post 8697073)
Second paragraph.
Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 8697104)
No offense I honestly don't care what you do. I actually know what I'm talking about. There's about a million things on the banned list for no other reason than they mask the use of PEDs. Floyd's camp tried to put out that he wouldn't have used testosterone because it wouldn't be of benefit to an endurance athlete (false) and then that it wouldn't be of use just one time (also false but also misleading in that getting caught once doesn't prove that he wasn't on it all along). It's actually far more likely and logical that he messed up the dose, his body responded differently due to the stress of bonking the day before, or that something went awry with his masking agent. These aren't wild speculations but more logical and fact based explanations of how someone who failed a test did so. Of course, it could have been the jack daniels :rolleyes:
You say you know what you are talking about, but you are simply jumping to wild and unfounded conclusions. Citing the data at hand (the large numbers of clean tests and no failed tests), it is not jumping to conclusions to say that he has raced clean. He has raced certifiably clean, as best as the system can determine that. He has passed all the tests. |
Originally Posted by classic1
(Post 8697184)
Landis had multiple positives for artificial testosterone. He had one test that had the ratios screwed up so they did further testing and found artificial testosterone. Further testing on his other samples showed artificial testosterone.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
(Post 8696951)
Is it really a glaring violation of testing protocol to ask the guy to wait 20-30 minutes while his credentials are verified? Maybe so. Sounds like much ado about nothing. Somebody show me the EXACT WORDING IN THE RULES that makes Lance's conduct a violation and maybe I'll come around.
It's a big Kabuki Dance of Mirrors. Reminds me of the relationship between Americans and the IRS, actually. ... Armstrong "did not respect the obligation to remain under the direct and permanent observation" of the tester. So apparently the rules are that once the tester appears, the testee is supposed to remain in his sight. Anyone have a copy of the exact rules? http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...Y9IKwD97ETUKO1 |
Originally Posted by patentcad
(Post 8696708)
It's really hard not to think that French officials don't have it in for Lance. They should kiss his ass and pay him a million friggin Euro we-hope-you-actually-make-an-appearance fee for even announcing he's doing their stupid race considering that fact that such news will boost the interest in the event 100% globally.
Doping Schmoping. Somebody should send these Frog Morons to Economics 101. |
Originally Posted by Kelrod
(Post 8697477)
I wonder if Lance did break the testing rules? I know he came up negative, but what are the rules when someone comes to you for a random test? If you are required to standby the tester without leaving his site. I am sure Lance knew this. These guys know the rules, it's fine that they were getting the credentials of the tester but why create the suspicion by leaving for 20 mins?
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I'd also like to read the actual rule. does anyone have a link?
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How could a twenty minute delay affect the contents of his blood, urine, or hair? Collecting all that is directly monitered. It's not like he went into another room and came back with the samples.
"Let's see, now where did I put those vials of blood and that cup of pee? Dude! Quick! Give me some of your hair!" I wonder what Lance's vital fluids would be worth on ebay? |
Originally Posted by campag4life
(Post 8696895)
you do see the disconnect right? There is no "until they weren't" with lance. I get your point though...keep scruitinizing until proof is found. You would think after the guy won 3 in a row some of the shroud of suspicion would be removed after being the most tested athelete of all time.
the thing i love about lance and no he is far from perfect as we all are is...he puts himself in that arena knowing going in what he is going to get and then spends the entire time whining about it. the french will do everything in their power to thwart him from winning and have done so since he has won consecutively early on. Gotta love lance's resolve to dominate. The guy will just not knuckle under given any circumstances....the ultimate warrior....genetically more gifted and works harder than anybody and likely smarter than most. |
Originally Posted by DScott
(Post 8697843)
I wonder what Lance's vital fluids would be worth on ebay?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
(Post 8697183)
It's really not too difficult to imagine how this went down. Armstrong, used to being tested by WADA /UCI is put off by the French guy showing up. Responds along the lines of F'U. Takes a bit of time to sort out, before its clear he has to submit to the test.
French guys respond back with "no F'U" by raising this little pissing contest (no pun intended). Armstrong's known for being less than tactful on occassion, and I'm betting he pissed them off. |
Lance needs to go back to flossin hoes, and triathlons. He doped. But you only cheated if you get caught. He just needs to back off from waving the clean flag. The only reason "cancer" is the reason he is riding is because he can't win the tdf anymore, and he is like the reast of us cyclists in need of an excuse.
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Originally Posted by botto
(Post 8696985)
why are you attacking an entire nation for the behavior of one organization?
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 8696793)
Isn't there a Lance forum or a TdF forum where this stuff could be posted? Maybe it can go in the Lance twitter forum in the subcategory 'drug testing.' It's incomprehensible anyone can follow this sport anymore. Everyone involved seems to be a total flaming Ahole. From the directors, to the athletes to the promoters. It's perhaps the most sub par group of human beings in existence.
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Originally Posted by DScott
(Post 8697843)
How could a twenty minute delay affect the contents of his blood, urine, or hair? Collecting all that is directly monitered. It's not like he went into another room and came back with the samples.
"Let's see, now where did I put those vials of blood and that cup of pee? Dude! Quick! Give me some of your hair!" I wonder what Lance's vital fluids would be worth on ebay? He went to the bathroom for twenty minutes, but he wasn't alone. He actually had all of his blood changed out with one of his associates who is clean. This associate will probably die soon from high hematocrit levels or something, but we won't hear about it. He then had a hair transplant done with this same associate. Finally, he, umm, yeah, I can't even make something up that could make a urine sample clean in 20 minutes. Maybe he peed, so that when the tester asked for the sample, he didn't have any to give, then the guy got bored and left? |
I think whether Pcad has followers is more interesting than whether lance was unfairly picked on to pee in a cup. He knows as most of the world does that he is under great suspicion for being a doper, especially in France.. None twisted his arm to make a come back.. What was he expecting, beautiful women showing up volunteering to hold it for him while he gave a sample ?
Oh what a tough life he has, lives in a beautiful section of the world has great looking girlfriends, has loads of cash, and now that hes in a comeback has to take drug tests more than most. |
Originally Posted by cuda2k
(Post 8697292)
:notamused:
Lance is a Texan, of course he doesn't take any BS. Let me get my hip boots on. The gun smoke and horse **** is getting thick in here pardner.:D |
I happen to like France. Maybe you narrow minded french-haters should stfu until you have been there for awhile (and I dont mean on a tour bus). When we were there we had a good time, met nice people, ate great food, saw places that had huge historical significance, had great places to walk, ate great food...repeat.
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Originally Posted by rousseau
(Post 8697964)
Because Americans are morons?
Brace yourself fancy pants,another load of merde catapulted across Lake Erie for you.:thumb: |
Oh and btw maybe Lance did use perf. enhancing drugs and was smart enough not to get caught, maybe not; just say'n
Im sure the French have their side of the story too. |
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