I'll help.

Call in Chief Inspector Clouseau to review the tests.

How much trouble to pee in a cup when asked? they could have verified the credentials of the official in time, just don't let the guy run off with the samples without varification.

[QUOTE=gsteinb;8696793]... It's perhaps the most sub par group of human beings in existence.[/QUOTE

Except for BF Road Cycling members

Um, where's your proof?

So, a person should be able to go up to Lance, make him pee infront of them, then get verified. Half the guys on this forum would be in that line just to check out his junk.

Bingo! Lance should've known by now that when a tester shows up -- especially a French tester -- that he must do exactly what that person tells him to do. Any deviation from instructions could be construed and/or distorted in exactly the way it's being done right now.

He f'ed up and now he's going to pay for it -- the French are going to throw everything they can at him to keep him out of the TdF (which probably was their plan all along). The only person he has to blame is himself -- and maybe Johan for not making him stay put while they sorted out the tester's creds.

Jason

Define "in time", because 20 minutes seems to fall under a reasonable definition of in time.

Its a good thing I have enough Canadian friends to know most are not like you.

The rule is that you can't refuse the test (Google Kevin van Impe if you don't already know his story) and the tester must stay with you until he/she gets the sample. Landis talks about this in his book also, saying he would sometimes take the tester out for coffee or something until he hydrated enough to whizz.


Since Armstrong and the tester were in the same building and there was no risk of Armstrong's running away the tester can say he was with him and the rule was followed.

He showered with permission of the test administrator. I think most of the blame should be with him.

I don't know about you, but I don't want anyone's urine, that's just gross.

"In time" to make a few phone call to varify the official's identity and credentials.. is that satisfactory?

Maybe I'm in the minority, but if a person claims to be an UCI official and ask me to provide samples for dope test, seems to me pretty clear that I should review their credentials, provide the samples until the official is satified. If there is concern about the officials credentials, I could have them checked after providing the samples.

Asking for permission to shower prior to providing the samples does not seem like a proper, nor permittable request; seems to me both parties have made mistake.

He knows the rules to the letter. He broke them. His bad.

Why did it take 3 weeks for this story to be released. If it happened on March 17, why not release it to the media on March 18?

That is a trend I've noticed with many scandalous sports stories.

Considering testers often have to wait much longer than that for an athlete to hydrate, waiting 20 min for some phone calls seems reasonable.

Compare this situation to the Dubai Open where they paid Tiger Woods $5M just to show up.

The French are simply insanely jealous of Armstrong and his ability to ride them into the ground on their home turf.... it's time for these hysterical cry babies to grow up.

And draw blood, and cut off a few large chunks of hair?
I think not.

Indirectly related and interesting....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090409/...ping_eu_rule_2

:beer:

Is this anti-Americanism?

If it is, is it casual or insidious?

i'm no lance groupie but even to me it seems like they have a vendetta against lance.

Maybe drawing blood and hair cut could wait until credentials are verified.

Lance: I just want to verify who you are.

Inspector: ok

Lance: Is it ok if I take a shower while we make the calls?

Inspector: no prob

Wtf is LA suppose to do?

like this guy?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...range-1892.jpg
Henri Desgrange

LA: Maybe I should just sit here and wait until we know who you are, that way there will be no confusion; meanwhile, do you want me to pee on you (or your country)? oh, pardon my french, I meant pee in a cup.

FIFY

Lance: You said I could shower
Inspector: Did Not
Lance: Did too
Inspector: Did Not
Lance: Did Too

etc. etc.

The tester in question was not with the UCI, but a French lab. The test in question was done by the French government/anti-doping agency. According to the articles I've read, Lance was unaware that the lab had the authority to request a test directly. Which is where much of the questioning of authority originated. Would it have been better if Lance had decided not to shower till after things were straightened out, probably. Do I blame him for wanting to clean up a bit after a full day of training, nope.

While having witnesses helps LA's case, the fact they are "his" guys doesn't help that much. Guess it's time to start carrying a digital audio recorder at all times.



For those wanting articles:

http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=fr&tl=en

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090409/...g_doping_rules

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=4054825

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009...dom-drugs-test

update
http://velonews.com/article/90386/th...-uci-has-given

so it's finally settled. good.