The Plot Thickens
04-09-09 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Associated Press - Paris
In France, drug testers take an oath before a court to discharge their duties honestly before they are allowed to work.
04-09-09 | 08:02 AM
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It's really not too difficult to imagine how this went down. Armstrong, used to being tested by WADA /UCI is put off by the French guy showing up. Responds along the lines of F'U. Takes a bit of time to sort out, before its clear he has to submit to the test.
French guys respond back with "no F'U" by raising this little pissing contest (no pun intended).
Armstrong's known for being less than tactful on occassion, and I'm betting he pissed them off.
French guys respond back with "no F'U" by raising this little pissing contest (no pun intended).
Armstrong's known for being less than tactful on occassion, and I'm betting he pissed them off.
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04-09-09 | 08:02 AM
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No offense I honestly don't care what you do. I actually know what I'm talking about. There's about a million things on the banned list for no other reason than they mask the use of PEDs. Floyd's camp tried to put out that he wouldn't have used testosterone because it wouldn't be of benefit to an endurance athlete (false) and then that it wouldn't be of use just one time (also false but also misleading in that getting caught once doesn't prove that he wasn't on it all along). It's actually far more likely and logical that he messed up the dose, his body responded differently due to the stress of bonking the day before, or that something went awry with his masking agent. These aren't wild speculations but more logical and fact based explanations of how someone who failed a test did so. Of course, it could have been the jack daniels 
04-09-09 | 08:07 AM
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Judges in this country take oaths, some of them are crooked. Same with policemen, politicians, and just about everyone else.
04-09-09 | 08:12 AM
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Every day I get up and chuckle a bit more.
BTW...I was glad to see that Eric Holder legally supported the Article II Executive Powers and said wiretaps, (the ones that were unconstitutional last year) will continue.
But I digress...
BTW...I was glad to see that Eric Holder legally supported the Article II Executive Powers and said wiretaps, (the ones that were unconstitutional last year) will continue.
But I digress...
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04-09-09 | 08:15 AM
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Lance is a Texan, of course he doesn't take any BS.
04-09-09 | 08:15 AM
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Oh well.
Like I said, Go Steelers. By the way, the Undefeated Mets' Magic Number is now 160.
04-09-09 | 08:23 AM
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No offense I honestly don't care what you do. I actually know what I'm talking about. There's about a million things on the banned list for no other reason than they mask the use of PEDs. Floyd's camp tried to put out that he wouldn't have used testosterone because it wouldn't be of benefit to an endurance athlete (false) and then that it wouldn't be of use just one time (also false but also misleading in that getting caught once doesn't prove that he wasn't on it all along). It's actually far more likely and logical that he messed up the dose, his body responded differently due to the stress of bonking the day before, or that something went awry with his masking agent. These aren't wild speculations but more logical and fact based explanations of how someone who failed a test did so. Of course, it could have been the jack daniels
Really...you believe what you like as you don't have any proof to your supposition but I agree its plausible. There is a big difference between Floyd and Lance. Floyd was caught. His bonk and then dominance suggested something wasn't right and quite possibly he cheated. I give you that. He may not have cheated and possibly was framed but likely he did cheat. The difference with Lance is...the most winning and loathed rider by the French (leap) of all time in their race..is the guy has been tested a lot and never found to have cheated. Some can't accept that Lance's genetic gifts and work ethic trump a need to cheat when the converse has never been proven.
04-09-09 | 08:28 AM
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Is that your proof?...lol.
Really...you believe what you like as you don't have any proof to your supposition but I agree its plausible. There is a big difference between Floyd and Lance. Floyd was caught. His bonk and then dominance suggested something wasn't right and quite possibly he cheated. I give you that. He may not have cheated and possibly was framed but likely he did cheat. The difference with Lance is...the most winning and loathed rider by the French (leap) of all time in their race..is the guy has been tested a lot and never found to have cheated. Some can't accept that Lance's genetic gifts and work ethic trump a need to cheat when the converse has never been proven.
Really...you believe what you like as you don't have any proof to your supposition but I agree its plausible. There is a big difference between Floyd and Lance. Floyd was caught. His bonk and then dominance suggested something wasn't right and quite possibly he cheated. I give you that. He may not have cheated and possibly was framed but likely he did cheat. The difference with Lance is...the most winning and loathed rider by the French (leap) of all time in their race..is the guy has been tested a lot and never found to have cheated. Some can't accept that Lance's genetic gifts and work ethic trump a need to cheat when the converse has never been proven.
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04-09-09 | 08:30 AM
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If Lance doped/dopes, why does that diminish any of his accomplishments?
As we've pretty much estabilshed, he won 7 Tours during one of the peaks in doping for the sport (which has ebbed and flowed for about five decades now). They were basically all doing it.
As we've pretty much estabilshed, he won 7 Tours during one of the peaks in doping for the sport (which has ebbed and flowed for about five decades now). They were basically all doing it.
04-09-09 | 08:45 AM
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I wonder if Lance did break the testing rules? I know he came up negative, but what are the rules when someone comes to you for a random test? If you are required to standby the tester without leaving his site. I am sure Lance knew this. These guys know the rules, it's fine that they were getting the credentials of the tester but why create the suspicion by leaving for 20 mins?
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04-09-09 | 08:47 AM
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Look at the Google trends for "trek bicycles":
It's not hard to notice the "Lance effect" in July, when he was and wasn't racing. In 2004 Backroads filled 22 trips to the TdF. In 2007, they ran one trip. Trek Travel had 500 guests in 2004, only 150 in 2007. Lance effect? Primarily, I think.
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Then there's Tour of California. Attendance in 2008 was 1.6 million, but jumped to 2 million with Lance's arrival in 2009.
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04-09-09 | 09:01 AM
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Personally, I honestly believe "the French*" will do whatever it takes to keep LA out of the race.
* - ASO, French media, drug testers, public.
* - ASO, French media, drug testers, public.
04-09-09 | 09:02 AM
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I was referring to your second paragraph. I am asking about something more specific. I do not see anything that says masking agents were detected, just that he tested clean in these tests, so my assumption is that nothing could be done other than masking agents, which were not detected in the test. At least that is how I am seeing it. I am not disagreeing with you, just asking if anyone else has more clarification on the subject.
You say you know what you are talking about, but you are simply jumping to wild and unfounded conclusions. Citing the data at hand (the large numbers of clean tests and no failed tests), it is not jumping to conclusions to say that he has raced clean. He has raced certifiably clean, as best as the system can determine that. He has passed all the tests.
No offense I honestly don't care what you do. I actually know what I'm talking about. There's about a million things on the banned list for no other reason than they mask the use of PEDs. Floyd's camp tried to put out that he wouldn't have used testosterone because it wouldn't be of benefit to an endurance athlete (false) and then that it wouldn't be of use just one time (also false but also misleading in that getting caught once doesn't prove that he wasn't on it all along). It's actually far more likely and logical that he messed up the dose, his body responded differently due to the stress of bonking the day before, or that something went awry with his masking agent. These aren't wild speculations but more logical and fact based explanations of how someone who failed a test did so. Of course, it could have been the jack daniels
You say you know what you are talking about, but you are simply jumping to wild and unfounded conclusions. Citing the data at hand (the large numbers of clean tests and no failed tests), it is not jumping to conclusions to say that he has raced clean. He has raced certifiably clean, as best as the system can determine that. He has passed all the tests.
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04-09-09 | 09:08 AM
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Multiple positives? Besides the A and B sample from the same day? Please post your sources.
04-09-09 | 09:19 AM
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Is it really a glaring violation of testing protocol to ask the guy to wait 20-30 minutes while his credentials are verified? Maybe so. Sounds like much ado about nothing. Somebody show me the EXACT WORDING IN THE RULES that makes Lance's conduct a violation and maybe I'll come around.
It's a big Kabuki Dance of Mirrors. Reminds me of the relationship between Americans and the IRS, actually.
It's a big Kabuki Dance of Mirrors. Reminds me of the relationship between Americans and the IRS, actually.
... Armstrong "did not respect the obligation to remain under the direct and permanent observation" of the tester.
So apparently the rules are that once the tester appears, the testee is supposed to remain in his sight.
Anyone have a copy of the exact rules?
https://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...Y9IKwD97ETUKO1
04-09-09 | 09:24 AM
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It's really hard not to think that French officials don't have it in for Lance. They should kiss his ass and pay him a million friggin Euro we-hope-you-actually-make-an-appearance fee for even announcing he's doing their stupid race considering that fact that such news will boost the interest in the event 100% globally.
Doping Schmoping. Somebody should send these Frog Morons to Economics 101.
Doping Schmoping. Somebody should send these Frog Morons to Economics 101.
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