N+1 disease
05-23-09, 01:27 PM
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N+1 disease
Ok, so I caught it. Bad. I'm about ready to haul my sorry self to the doctor for a prescription, head shrinking, or sumpin more serious like a brainectomy.
My old Trek 1100 roadbike is fine. The components are fine albeit with high miles on them. Everything works fine & the tires are almost new. I'm happy with the old horse and we've spent many miles together and have many more miles in us both.
Except...
My friend just bought himself an Orbea Opal with Campy record (10) at my urging because I would like someone to ride with occaisionally. His Orbea is sweet looking and I made the mistake of accepting his offer to take it for a spin around the parking lot. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I was doomed from the start.
Then, this week, Ebay had this gorgeous Orbea Orca frameset IN MY SIZE. So I bought it. https://cgi.ebay.com/60cm-Orbea-Orca-...lenotsupported
Now I'm having a hard time deciding whether to go with a SRAM force or a Campy Chorus carbon group. Force lets me re-use my wheels from the Trek (which are almost new at 1000 or so miles). The Campy group would require that I either get a new freehub or new wheels (
). I still haven't decided which group and am shopping for the best price at this point.
Someone please tell me that this is normal and that I haven't caught some hideous disease that will cause me to become an old hermit living in a grass hut or cave.
My old Trek 1100 roadbike is fine. The components are fine albeit with high miles on them. Everything works fine & the tires are almost new. I'm happy with the old horse and we've spent many miles together and have many more miles in us both.
Except...
My friend just bought himself an Orbea Opal with Campy record (10) at my urging because I would like someone to ride with occaisionally. His Orbea is sweet looking and I made the mistake of accepting his offer to take it for a spin around the parking lot. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I was doomed from the start.
Then, this week, Ebay had this gorgeous Orbea Orca frameset IN MY SIZE. So I bought it. https://cgi.ebay.com/60cm-Orbea-Orca-...lenotsupported
Now I'm having a hard time deciding whether to go with a SRAM force or a Campy Chorus carbon group. Force lets me re-use my wheels from the Trek (which are almost new at 1000 or so miles). The Campy group would require that I either get a new freehub or new wheels (
). I still haven't decided which group and am shopping for the best price at this point.Someone please tell me that this is normal and that I haven't caught some hideous disease that will cause me to become an old hermit living in a grass hut or cave.
05-23-09, 01:38 PM
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Perfectly normal. Which is why all good bike shops will let you take their bikes out for as long a spin as you like. I was sold on a Trek Madone in much the same way; had an old bike, bike was on sale, took it for a test ride, took it home with me. Best purchase I've ever made though. I've gotten much more out of it than I put in. Entirely changing my lifestyle, losing (now) 25lbs, and making me fit again. I've won three races on it too, and podiumed three more times as well as a handful of top 10s.
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05-23-09, 01:50 PM
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For price point this is OK but the MSRP for this frameset is somewhere in the neighborhood of $3K. And, since the frame / fork weighs about 3 lbs and are all carbon, it cries out for carbon components. I believe that the internals for Rival and Force are the same. However, Rival is all alum with some steel. Force is carbon & alum with some steel.
Oh man, I can't believe that I'm seriously considering spending more money just for asthetics. I KNEW IT! I'm doomed.
Oh man, I can't believe that I'm seriously considering spending more money just for asthetics. I KNEW IT! I'm doomed.
05-23-09, 02:28 PM
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For price point this is OK but the MSRP for this frameset is somewhere in the neighborhood of $3K. And, since the frame / fork weighs about 3 lbs and are all carbon, it cries out for carbon components. I believe that the internals for Rival and Force are the same. However, Rival is all alum with some steel. Force is carbon & alum with some steel.
Oh man, I can't believe that I'm seriously considering spending more money just for asthetics. I KNEW IT! I'm doomed.
Oh man, I can't believe that I'm seriously considering spending more money just for asthetics. I KNEW IT! I'm doomed.
You have a valid argument, but you contradict yourself by wanting to use your old wheels. Just get Rival and a set of good wheels and you'll be golden
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This guy seems to think Rival is OK. I think you'd be fine...
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05-24-09, 09:45 AM
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N+1 disease is a legitimate syndrome. Why is my wife so unsympathetic?
05-24-09, 10:59 AM
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I train on an old trek 1100 frame with new DA components. Had to replace the quill stem with a track model to get the drop right, but still use the original bars. I can get it down to 20 lbs with light wheels if I want to use it in crits.
05-24-09, 12:21 PM
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I can get Rival or Veloce for about the same price. If I am going to buy wheels, there is no upcharge for campy vs. shimano wheels so that's a wash. In essence, I can go bottom-of-the-barrel for about the same cost.
Or, I can upgrade to mid level SRAM and skip buying new wheels for the same price.
Or, I can just go crazy (and risk a serious beating followed by a divorce) and buy Campy Super Record 11.
I don't need Super Record (or even Chorus carbon 11). I also don't like to think that I'm being "cheap" just to save $200 either. The frame deserves decent components so I'm seriously thinking SRAM Force with my existing wheels. I can always upgrade the wheels to Fulcrum Racing 3's later this year or next season.
Oh BTW, Rival with an additional Force crankset would cost MORE than a complete Force grouppo.
Or, I can upgrade to mid level SRAM and skip buying new wheels for the same price.
Or, I can just go crazy (and risk a serious beating followed by a divorce) and buy Campy Super Record 11.
I don't need Super Record (or even Chorus carbon 11). I also don't like to think that I'm being "cheap" just to save $200 either. The frame deserves decent components so I'm seriously thinking SRAM Force with my existing wheels. I can always upgrade the wheels to Fulcrum Racing 3's later this year or next season.
Oh BTW, Rival with an additional Force crankset would cost MORE than a complete Force grouppo.
05-24-09, 12:45 PM
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I can get Rival or Veloce for about the same price. If I am going to buy wheels, there is no upcharge for campy vs. shimano wheels so that's a wash. In essence, I can go bottom-of-the-barrel for about the same cost.
Or, I can upgrade to mid level SRAM and skip buying new wheels for the same price.
Or, I can just go crazy (and risk a serious beating followed by a divorce) and buy Campy Super Record 11.
I don't need Super Record (or even Chorus carbon 11). I also don't like to think that I'm being "cheap" just to save $200 either. The frame deserves decent components so I'm seriously thinking SRAM Force with my existing wheels. I can always upgrade the wheels to Fulcrum Racing 3's later this year or next season.
Oh BTW, Rival with an additional Force crankset would cost MORE than a complete Force grouppo.
Or, I can upgrade to mid level SRAM and skip buying new wheels for the same price.
Or, I can just go crazy (and risk a serious beating followed by a divorce) and buy Campy Super Record 11.
I don't need Super Record (or even Chorus carbon 11). I also don't like to think that I'm being "cheap" just to save $200 either. The frame deserves decent components so I'm seriously thinking SRAM Force with my existing wheels. I can always upgrade the wheels to Fulcrum Racing 3's later this year or next season.
Oh BTW, Rival with an additional Force crankset would cost MORE than a complete Force grouppo.
Well, in the end it's your money. With Rival vs Force though, they only benefit to be had with Force is weight loss. That's it. The mechanics behind all of the parts are exactly the same between the two.
