i like all the resentment toward red light cameras. If they capture your face and the plate, you get a ticket. you were behind the wheel, and ran the light. It's exactly the same as an LEO issuing the ticket. Maybe even better, since cameras can't really lie or trump up charges. where I'm from, they do have to get your face clearly enough for an id, which means that only about 10% of people who get flashed actually get ticketed.

I'm sure the woman with her baby in a stroller, crossing on the walk sign, is just as convinced as you are.

Not a bad idea: bonus points if your "victory" sprint finish picture has a scared stroller-pusher in the background!

Double points if you get through and the Honda guy gets a ticket and you don't. It's a harsh world out there, folks.

How many points does the Honda driver get if the picture has you on his hood and the stroller pusher looking relieved?

Dunno, how many points on your license do you get for vehicular manslaughter? =]

I don't drive so I don't know these things.

Made me laugh..

In many cases the company who built and installed the red light cameras get something like 60%-80% of the ticket revenue. In exchange they install the whole system at no cost to the municipality.

magic. stranger things have happened...

RVD.

1984

I support red light cameras. They make driving safer for all of us, including cyclists. Intersection accidents fell by like 34% in the years after my city put them in (oh I know, correlation vs causation but it definitely played a part)

Then how is it even possible to get a parking ticket? All the meter maid knows is that the vehicle was there, not a particular individual.

Don't recall where I got this from, but I remember seeing something about using radar to control signal lights. If cars are speeding the lights will turn red. You could even find yourself at an intersection with the lights red for all directions.

Most of the data I've read seems to indicate that red light cameras increase accidents.

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/06/687.asp
https://www.motorists.org/blog/red-li...that-prove-it/
https://www.autoblog.com/2006/04/05/m...lion-increase/

Yeah, I'm sure motorists.org & autoblog.com aren't biased. At all.

Why can't drivers start following the rules of the road? They're dying at an alarming rate, and taking many innocent victims out in the process. That's the real issue here.

Not true in MD/DC. They mail the ticket to the registered owner. You don't get points on your license, though, since they can't tell who is driving. I got one recently and paid it online. They only take pics of the rear of the car, not the front. If they were mailing pix of occupants to people's home I think there would be a lot of blowback.

(edit/clarification: mine was not an intersection camera, but just a speed cam on a rural stretch of roadway.)

The sources they cite are numerous, and as far as I can tell, all of their sources are independent. If you're disputing what they have to say, let's see your sources.

No point in getting into a "my study say this!" argument, somebody already posted the opposite of your studies earlier in the thread..

All I know is that drivers are dying at an alarming rate - and something needs to be done to stop it, since apparently many drivers don't value their own lives.

Someone posted a link to a study performed by an independent organization that indicates that red light cameras decrease accidents? I just did a quick scan of this thread and I saw no such thing.

Regardless, are you arguing that since they don't decrease accidents they're pointless?

I thought their point was to ticket illegal drivers and raise revenue. Seems like to that end they are working, quite well.

Now now now, you should know not to expect actual sources from someone with a political axe to grind.

If they can't value their own lives, then why should I?

Borrowed from another thread, but strangely apropos.

Hold on a sec. I'm the one for these red light cams!

What political axe am I grinding then?

I post links to studies showing that red light cameras increase accidents. You say my sources are biased and I showed you they're not.

Then in response to the links to the studies I posted, you said someone already posted links to studies that said the opposite of what I claimed. I reviewed the thread and didn't see anything of the sort. But rather than clarify what you meant, you try to change the entire direction of the argument.

Wasn't your original point that red light cameras increase safety? I've shown you a number of independent sources that say red light cameras make the road less safe. Please show me a number of independent studies that support your contention that it increases safety. We aren't discussing illegal drivers or fine revenue - just safety.

The one FOR red light cams. duh.

IF the light turns yellow, AND you can reasonably stop, you're SUPPOSED to STOP. Period. Don't try to time it to the last second. JUST STOP.