mkane77g

60 miles, 2 bottles and they both get a refill

miwoodar

I'm awefully confused by some of the posts above. Maybe I just have the dumb?

I err on the side of caution. It's usually two large bottles for me. When I ride my MTB it's usually a full 3L bladder.

Machka 

You're from California ... when was the last time you did a ride in -20C conditions??? When was the last time you went cross-country skiing or even brisk walking in that sort of cold and colder? You sound as though you have no idea what you're talking about.

umd

Machka, my POINT is that it's not the cold that may make you sweat more, it's clothing. If you went out naked in your -20 you would get hypothermia, not heatstroke.

umd

I'll say this slowly for those of you deficcient in brain cells. All other things being equal, lower temperatures = less sweat = less water needed.

Clothing makes not all equal. More clothing = more heat retained. It is the clothing that can (but does not necessarily) make you sweat more not the colder temperature.

rmhaas

I normally use one bottle for rides under 40 miles. If I plan for longer ride I will mount seconded cage and bottle. lately I just use my one bottle with hot tea and honey for cooler rides which gets me by very well.

hipcheck5

Hey UMD, I tried to be nice since you seem like a decent person, so I left this discussion. That being said stop sending pm's trying to continue this conversation, you come off as being an insecure, little man who has to have the last word and "win" the internet.

umd

I sent you 1, very non-confrontational PM. There is some fundamental misunderstanding between us and I was trying to resolve it peacefully.

kuf

The idea that you sweat more in the cold has been mentioned many times on BF, and there has never been any evidence provided to support it. It is contrary to intuition and experience. Unless a new scientific experiment is done that disproves it, it's practically BF gospel that you sweat more when it's warmer (all things being equal).

Quel

Wow, some of you people are really defensive about your choice of how much water they bring on a bike ride. I'd hate to see you discuss Hi-C vs. Kool-Aid.

rollin

I drank the Kool-Aid Kool-Aid so I would have to say Kool-Aid.

I have seen more heated debates on lesser issues on this forum. Bad science+interweb+road cyclist ego+pedantry+snow=*boom*

spry

A Dutch Fluid Recycler,I think I've heard about that system.

spry

These gamma rays from the PC screen give the otherwise tame roadies inflamed sphincters.

waterrockets 

If you're on a Trek Madone, one water bottle would be advised to lessen the load and hopefully help the BB shell limp through one more ride before failure.

On the other hand, if it's cold out, you should probably bring two, since the colder temps will make the Trek Madone's BB shell bonding surfaces more brittle. When it fails, two water bottles will be useful for the long walk home. Plus if you cut your ankles with any exploding carbon fiber shards, water is good first aid for cleaning the wounds before wrapping them with bike tubes.

big john

Makes as much sense as a lot of this thread.

DRietz

I didn't really read this thread past page two, and I'm seeing that people hate to ride with saddlebags, or would just rather carry their tools in a bottle on their second cage. Why not just stuff it in your jersey pockets? That what I do. Stuff two tire levers, CO2 cartridge and filler, a patch kit, and a few dollars into an old sock. Stuff that in my jersey pocket, along with the cellular phone and a house key.

Also, just to keep this post on track: I ride with two...always.

JacoKierkegaard

Just one if it's going to be less than an hour and a half, two otherwise.

rush_forth

oh man, i still haven't made the switch from camelbak to bottle

but i carry at least a full liter with me whenever i go. in fact, ever since i spent a week camping in the desert 4 yrs ago, i carry water with me all the time. i'm talking driving to the grocery store i'm packing at least 1/2 liter. but now i live in the desert so it just makes sense!

KiddSisko

From your opening myth laden proclamation to your publicly divulging information about another member's private message, you come off as very strange. Not that that's an entirely bad thing on Bike Forums. Do you do any mountain biking by any chance?

Jay-W

That can be just as irritating, having those full pockets. I have a spare tube, 3 co2, inflator, levers, patch kit and multitool. That's ontop of what I usually carry in my jersey pockets.

I need to htfu and choose either saddlebag or full jersey pockets. I wonder if a zero setback seatpost and the thinnest saddlebag available will help eliminate the back of my thigh rubbing.

RacerOne

It depends, sometimes one, sometimes two. I sweat more when it's hot but get more evaporation so I stay dryer. I sweat less when it's cold but my clothing gets wetter because it can't escape all the layers. At least what I think.

KiddSisko

On many of the climbs around me during the cold season (temps in low 50's), I remove as much layering as possible (tucked in back pocket) before heading up, and then if my clothes are soaked at the top, I often spend time "drying off" by unzipping or removing a layer, flapping them around and generally letting the sun (if present) or breeze do it's job before fully redressing and heading down. Anything is better than that pocket of wetness around your chest and midsection on a descent.

Answering question: One bottle locally because I know where the water stops are. 2 on remote mountain rides.

blamire

extra weight also makes it harder to jump quick and it also makes hills harder.
a chaingang on a >20lb bike is going to be much harder than on a 15lb bike, no?

txvintage

Two. Two, definetly two.

stonecrd

I think some people need to go back and study human physiology. Sweating is the way the body cools itself through evaporation specifically due to heating. How is it possible for cold skin to require more cooling than hot skin to keep the bodies temperature balanced?

You sweat more when you are hot, period. You can only become hotter in cold weather than hot weather if you exercise more or are wearing more clothing keeping the bodies heat in. UMD is correct folks