Does carbon Fred out over time?
02-13-10, 09:53 AM
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I'm looking forward to pyrolysized hemp, myself.
02-13-10, 09:55 AM
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My definition of a Fred is someone who loves to ride without giving a f**k what anybody else thinks or says.
02-13-10, 10:00 AM
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wutz flewy?
I thought Fredliness was about clothing and gadgets
I thought that carbon was a passing trend and the new trend is steel again
I thought Fredliness was about clothing and gadgets
I thought that carbon was a passing trend and the new trend is steel again
02-13-10, 10:25 AM
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Actually, and again, It is a minor difference of opinion. the purchaser of the walmart carbon bike would in fact be a Posuer' , not a Fred. As in wanting to be like the big boy racers on my walmart carbon 25 lbs. bike. A Fred wouldnt even consider it, a) because it is new b) because it is from walmart ( just because he is a Fred doesnt meen he has to be stupid.) c) not friction shifted. Index shifting is for someone who doesnt know how to shift.
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I wish to publicly acknowledge my "Fredness", if this is the definition, otherwise I'll just continue to be a Fred, the regular kind, whatever that may be.
02-13-10, 01:25 PM
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Not to take issue with this statment but, I believe you have Posuer' and Fred confused. A Posuer' has all he gear and high end schwag but none of the ability, and a laundry list of excuses as to why he ot shot off the back. A Fred will ride a 30 year old steel paramount frame and still do well. Fred as in Fred Flinstone or uber old school. Fred's tend to be clueless about technical advancements , such as carbon fibre, brifters, things 9 speed and higher, etc. However, a Fred does not always equate with non performance. A typical Fred remebers himself to be faster in his younger days, but still able to be competitive with the local crowd, even in his advanced age. Some may even crush your soul, given the right set of circumstances. Also to be a Fred is a slippery slope, Fred's by deffinition are not typically self aware that they are Fred like. To actively seek to achive Freddom, is akin to something Posuer' ish, and therfore to be avoided.
The one true difference between a Fred, and a Posuer' is I would ride with a Fred. A Posuer', I would ride off.
The one true difference between a Fred, and a Posuer' is I would ride with a Fred. A Posuer', I would ride off.
On a serious note - when riding in groups, proper understanding and form is important to everyone's safety. If any one rider doesn't follow the rules and causes concern, that rider can deservedly be called Fred. Even yelling at and exposing someone as being a Fred would be acceptable in that situation. F'ing Fred!, I believe is the term.
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02-13-10, 01:32 PM
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I hope I'm not killed for revealing that truth.
02-13-10, 06:11 PM
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As an older newbie I once went on a ride with my local club. I did OK on the flats by sucking the wheels off other riders. We got to the first big hill and despite a max effort was getting dropped off the back. I felt a hand on my back pushing me onward up the hill. It was a skinny older guy standing up the hill ON AT LEAST A 20 YEAR OLD SCHWINN, ROAD CLIPS, PANTS WITH A LEG STRAP. SNEEKERS AND A BACK-PACK. HIS BIKE HAD THE FILTHIEST CRANKSET, CHAIN AND CASSETTE I HAVE EVER SEEN. We got to the top and I was able to catch up to the pack while he went back to the back and was doing the same for other slower riders- which he continued to do the entire 60+ miles. He was not there at the end of the ride to receive my thanks. That, gentlemen, is my fred role model.
02-13-10, 07:40 PM
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02-13-10, 09:50 PM
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As an older newbie I once went on a ride with my local club. I did OK on the flats by sucking the wheels off other riders. We got to the first big hill and despite a max effort was getting dropped off the back. I felt a hand on my back pushing me onward up the hill. It was a skinny older guy standing up the hill ON AT LEAST A 20 YEAR OLD SCHWINN, ROAD CLIPS, PANTS WITH A LEG STRAP. SNEEKERS AND A BACK-PACK. HIS BIKE HAD THE FILTHIEST CRANKSET, CHAIN AND CASSETTE I HAVE EVER SEEN. We got to the top and I was able to catch up to the pack while he went back to the back and was doing the same for other slower riders- which he continued to do the entire 60+ miles. He was not there at the end of the ride to receive my thanks. That, gentlemen, is my fred role model.
02-13-10, 10:39 PM
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Ha! 
Bike Forums gives birth to another expression: "flew out" -- well, a new meaning to an old phrase.
My favourite is "drope the hamer"; I can't remember who came up with that one.
To answer the guy's question, I reckon most 'vintage' carbon bikes are more Fred than most vintage steel. For example, some of those old Vitus carbons and the Giant Cadexes are a bit Fred.
Sorry to anyone who owns one, but I'm calling 'Fred' on these:
Bike Forums gives birth to another expression: "flew out" -- well, a new meaning to an old phrase. My favourite is "drope the hamer"; I can't remember who came up with that one.
To answer the guy's question, I reckon most 'vintage' carbon bikes are more Fred than most vintage steel. For example, some of those old Vitus carbons and the Giant Cadexes are a bit Fred.
Sorry to anyone who owns one, but I'm calling 'Fred' on these:
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02-14-10, 08:38 AM
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Not to hyjack the thread, Drope the hamer (and guads) were classic Ryanfisms.
02-14-10, 03:26 PM
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I used to spend a lot of time pondering the exact definition of Fred, and I've boiled it down to a simple formula - when something just doesn't click. It could be a laundry list of wrong such as appearance, form, equipment, or just one item. Mind you the one item has to be a stand out item such as loose ankle socks while in kit. That aside, you often can't question a Fred's bike knowledge or riding history as they can have vast cycling experience. That is a reason for pride in the Sheldon Brown school of Fredosity. Bottom line is that any obvious or un-obvious, arbitrary and subjective thing about another cyclist you can point out which artificially gives you a sense of superiority over that cyclist is a Fred indicator. Fred is often in the eye of the beholder.
On a serious note - when riding in groups, proper understanding and form is important to everyone's safety. If any one rider doesn't follow the rules and causes concern, that rider can deservedly be called Fred. Even yelling at and exposing someone as being a Fred would be acceptable in that situation. F'ing Fred!, I believe is the term.
On a serious note - when riding in groups, proper understanding and form is important to everyone's safety. If any one rider doesn't follow the rules and causes concern, that rider can deservedly be called Fred. Even yelling at and exposing someone as being a Fred would be acceptable in that situation. F'ing Fred!, I believe is the term.
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