Minimun mechanical knowledge necessary.
#101
my hubby taught me how to change the tube if i get a flat, but i've never had one so i don't have any real experience to speak of.
this is a good thread, i'm gonna go raid my husband's tools
this is a good thread, i'm gonna go raid my husband's tools
#102
you'd rather make a group member drive to pick you up or your wife rather than carry a multitool that weighs 3 ounces in your back pocket? i'd rather carry a multi tool, let the group continue their ride and then ride back home or finish the ride solo rather than inconvenience anyone else.
As for the 3 dollar tool, you get what you pay for, and I doubt you will fix much with one that you couldn't live with, especially if you take the time to look at your bike "before" you leave the parking lot.
#103
I didn't "make" anyone do anything. (comprehension fail) We, the group, are all friends who look out for each other, take care of each other, and at times, get in trouble with each other. Anyone of us would have done it another without a thought.
As for the 3 dollar tool, you get what you pay for, and I doubt you will fix much with one that you couldn't live with, especially if you take the time to look at your bike "before" you leave the parking lot.
As for the 3 dollar tool, you get what you pay for, and I doubt you will fix much with one that you couldn't live with, especially if you take the time to look at your bike "before" you leave the parking lot.
comprehension fail... good one, specially when you mix up the word ounce with dollar. i still rather inconvenience myself by carry a small tool that can fix a lot of what can go wrong, inconvenience anyone else regardless of how good of a friend they are. and regardless of how well you look at your bike, stuff happens and i doubt you're psychic.
#104
Whatever you want to believe, I suppose.
A good mechanic doesn't have to fix something on the road, he found it and fixed it before he left. Simple as that. Yes, unexpected bad things happen, but planning for failure ensures you fail. I leave the parking lot knowing that nothing common will happen, other than a flat tire. To date, just like PCad, nothing has happened, and I am confident it never will.
A good mechanic doesn't have to fix something on the road, he found it and fixed it before he left. Simple as that. Yes, unexpected bad things happen, but planning for failure ensures you fail. I leave the parking lot knowing that nothing common will happen, other than a flat tire. To date, just like PCad, nothing has happened, and I am confident it never will.
#105
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From: Mohawk Valley/Adks, NYS
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I've ridden approximately 130K road miles over 20 years, and I've only had to change flats and turn a few allen bolts. Never had to true a wheel, adjust a derailleur (I don't count turning that hand adjustment thing on the rear cable tension, that's usually all it takes) or anything that crazy. I can change tubulars on the road, and I have used $ bills as shims in side tire casings that were torn or ripped badly.
OK, who's impressed?
OK, who's impressed?
Help me out here.
I am impressed with that mileage total. I don't have quite that many under my belt.
#107
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Whatever you want to believe, I suppose.
A good mechanic doesn't have to fix something on the road, he found it and fixed it before he left. Simple as that. Yes, unexpected bad things happen, but planning for failure ensures you fail. I leave the parking lot knowing that nothing common will happen, other than a flat tire. To date, just like PCad, nothing has happened, and I am confident it never will.
A good mechanic doesn't have to fix something on the road, he found it and fixed it before he left. Simple as that. Yes, unexpected bad things happen, but planning for failure ensures you fail. I leave the parking lot knowing that nothing common will happen, other than a flat tire. To date, just like PCad, nothing has happened, and I am confident it never will.

Things go out of adjustment. sometimes it happens in the middle of a ride. It's nice to be able to fix those things especially if you ride solo and/or travel far from home. It doesn't take much of a tool to fix most common road bike issues.
#108
Man, those TDF mechanics must suck. I see them doing on road repairs/adjustments quite frequently. You'd think they'd learn not to overlook things 
Things go out of adjustment. sometimes it happens in the middle of a ride. It's nice to be able to fix those things especially if you ride solo and/or travel far from home. It doesn't take much of a tool to fix most common road bike issues.

Things go out of adjustment. sometimes it happens in the middle of a ride. It's nice to be able to fix those things especially if you ride solo and/or travel far from home. It doesn't take much of a tool to fix most common road bike issues.
#109
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A good mechanic doesn't have to fix something on the road, he found it and fixed it before he left. Simple as that. Yes, unexpected bad things happen, but planning for failure ensures you fail. I leave the parking lot knowing that nothing common will happen, other than a flat tire. To date, just like PCad, nothing has happened, and I am confident it never will.
There are places out here in the Wild West where failure...or the lack of planning for it...can get you seriously dead. Maybe not on road rides but there are places out here where a cell phone is just a fancy rock
I don't carry this kit

on local road rides but I do carry a subset of it for every ride. If I'm venturing into the backwoods on a mountain bike, I carry all of this and emergency shelter, first aid and fire. If I'm going to be a thousand miles from home and out for a month, I carry all that plus clothes, shelter and food. Most importantly I carry the knowledge that I can deal with just about anything that might happen and still get down the road. I don't fail to plan so I don't plan on failing.
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Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
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Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#110
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#111
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I would say that the minimum mechanical knowlege a cyclist should have depends on how far you plan to ride, whether you can get cell phone reception and whether you are in a rural or urban environment.
If you are only going to ride 5 miles out from your home, then you probably don't need much mechanical skill. If you get a flat, you should be able to walk the bike home in under 1.5 hours, or use the cell phone if you have reception, to summons help.
If you are going on a ride that will take you more than 20 miles away from home (or your starting location) then you should at least be able to fix a flat as it will take more than a few hours to walk home. Again, unless you have a cell phone and reception.
If you are going touring, then you should really be able to a least fix flats, true wheels, adjust derailleurs and brakes. In other words when touring you need to be more self-reliant.
All of the above is also dependent on where you ride. If you are driving your car to a location way out in the country to start your ride, you are already a long way from civilisation, and you should have the mechanical skills to get you back to your starting point. If you ride mostly in a place where there are plenty of bike shops, like in the city, then you only need some cash or a credit card. If you ride where bike shops are few and far between, then you need more mechanical skills.
If you are only going to ride 5 miles out from your home, then you probably don't need much mechanical skill. If you get a flat, you should be able to walk the bike home in under 1.5 hours, or use the cell phone if you have reception, to summons help.
If you are going on a ride that will take you more than 20 miles away from home (or your starting location) then you should at least be able to fix a flat as it will take more than a few hours to walk home. Again, unless you have a cell phone and reception.
If you are going touring, then you should really be able to a least fix flats, true wheels, adjust derailleurs and brakes. In other words when touring you need to be more self-reliant.
All of the above is also dependent on where you ride. If you are driving your car to a location way out in the country to start your ride, you are already a long way from civilisation, and you should have the mechanical skills to get you back to your starting point. If you ride mostly in a place where there are plenty of bike shops, like in the city, then you only need some cash or a credit card. If you ride where bike shops are few and far between, then you need more mechanical skills.
#112
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Just wanted to point one more thing out. The flaw in your logic is that for the problem to exist at all, it must have happened during the previous ride (the exception being a new bike build).
#113
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#115
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#116
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No. A good mechanic knows that stuff happens and is prepared to deal with it. You have your ideas backwards. Planning on failure doesn't ensure that you fail, "failure to plan is a plan for failure".
There are places out here in the Wild West where failure...or the lack of planning for it...can get you seriously dead. Maybe not on road rides but there are places out here where a cell phone is just a fancy rock
I don't carry this kit

on local road rides but I do carry a subset of it for every ride. If I'm venturing into the backwoods on a mountain bike, I carry all of this and emergency shelter, first aid and fire. If I'm going to be a thousand miles from home and out for a month, I carry all that plus clothes, shelter and food. Most importantly I carry the knowledge that I can deal with just about anything that might happen and still get down the road. I don't fail to plan so I don't plan on failing.
There are places out here in the Wild West where failure...or the lack of planning for it...can get you seriously dead. Maybe not on road rides but there are places out here where a cell phone is just a fancy rock
I don't carry this kit

on local road rides but I do carry a subset of it for every ride. If I'm venturing into the backwoods on a mountain bike, I carry all of this and emergency shelter, first aid and fire. If I'm going to be a thousand miles from home and out for a month, I carry all that plus clothes, shelter and food. Most importantly I carry the knowledge that I can deal with just about anything that might happen and still get down the road. I don't fail to plan so I don't plan on failing.
#117
Once my chain fell off onto the bottom bracket. I didn't want to mess with it because it's all oily and dirty. So I stood there staring at it for about 2 minutes, then a nice guy showed up and asked if I needed help, I told him my bike was broken. He laughed and put my chain back on the chain ring. People are real nice.
#118
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I'm in the neighborhood of 130,000 miles in the last 20 or so years. I've broken a lot of stuff, but less in the last few years as I've lost weight and got old. 4 frames, 3 pedals snapped, countless spokes and wheels, saddles, seatposts, a stem, cables, chains, etc.
I've also been a car mechanic for 35+ years and I can tell you no matter how you prepare, stuff will happen. Be ready to deal with it and you will be fine most of the time. I've rarely sagged and I don't own a cell phone. A lot of my routes have no cell service, anyway.
I've also been a car mechanic for 35+ years and I can tell you no matter how you prepare, stuff will happen. Be ready to deal with it and you will be fine most of the time. I've rarely sagged and I don't own a cell phone. A lot of my routes have no cell service, anyway.
#119
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imho, derailleur adjustment is the easiest task to accomplish. but yes, bare min would be flat repair. i've got up to truing the wheel covered. beyond that and i'm stuck.
#120
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#7 here. If I don't have the tool to do it, it won't be long before I do. I've already had one complete build up, and that one was easier than the one I'm doing now. I've got to file some cotters down and get a cotter press (This worries me).
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#123
Whatever you want to believe, I suppose.
A good mechanic doesn't have to fix something on the road, he found it and fixed it before he left. Simple as that. Yes, unexpected bad things happen, but planning for failure ensures you fail. I leave the parking lot knowing that nothing common will happen, other than a flat tire. To date, just like PCad, nothing has happened, and I am confident it never will.
A good mechanic doesn't have to fix something on the road, he found it and fixed it before he left. Simple as that. Yes, unexpected bad things happen, but planning for failure ensures you fail. I leave the parking lot knowing that nothing common will happen, other than a flat tire. To date, just like PCad, nothing has happened, and I am confident it never will.
If you leave thinking that nothing will happen, it generally does.
At minimum folks should be carrying a multi tool and the stuff they need to make tyre repairs... since I ride a lot of vintage steel I carry extra things like my adjustable wrench as many fittings are nutted.
#125
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Every item in the pack has been used at one time or another. The truing stand is the bike and the repair stand is an upside down bike...or the bike hung by the seat post from something handy. When you are 1200 miles from home, it's a little difficult to call for the cavalry.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
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Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!




