Anyone care to share there views and or reviews of your Super Record 11 group? I want to hear from people who have at least a few thousand miles of use on there group and hopefully have also used Dura Ace as a direct comparison. Thinking of going to the Campy darkside but honestly have never had a moments complaint with my old 6600 or 7800 stuff.

I switched to 11 speed when it first became available in late '08. I've got it on three bikes. The only problem with the new ultrashift ergo levers is the possibility of cable friction fouling up the shifts to smaller cogs. You must use Campy's ultra low friction cable housing or some other 4mm housing with similar properties. I've managed to get Shimano housing to work.

A few brands of hubs or wheels don't work properly with 11 speed, even though they work with 10 speed. Campy hubs and wheels work with 10 or 11 speed. I've had no problems with Ksyrium SLs or powertap hubs. Some DTs hubs have problems.

I chose to buy Record groups with Chorus cassettes, since SR offers very little for the extra $$$. The only part that may be worth the cost is the crankset that has the CULT ceramic bearings. The rest of the parts have trivial amounts of additional carbon or a Ti bolt here or there that saves a few grams. The Ti cogs on Record and SR cassettes will last about half as long as Chorus steel cogs and cost a lot more.

Good info Dave...Thanks. I would assume Fulcrum wheels and 11 speed is fine. My plan is either stick with Shimano and go D/A 7900 or full SR11 with Chorus cassette. I tend to keep my groups a long time so the the few extra bucks for SR over Record would account to nill. Campy vs Shimano....... ugh.

An SR group with Chorus cassette is a decent compromise. Outfitting three bikes, several hundred more per bike adds up. My winter bike only has a Chorus crank, '08 Chorus FD and an older 10 speed Chorus RD, modified to work with 11 speed. I converted it for about $400.

I find the new brake/shift levers to be a big improvment in comfort and function, compared to the previous version. I can't compare it to DA though. I've been Campy-only since '95.

IMO, Shimano missed the mark with 7900. The shifters lost function (only 2-cogs with one sweep of the brake lever) and the brake hood reach increased. The shifters still cost a lot more and are not repairable.

I have a few thousand on chorus -11, love it. Biggest plus is the better ergonomics for my hands and the ability to shift up or down multiple gears at a time. I agree with Dave that sr doesn't get you much over record, and certainly no more durability. Most of the pro peloton is running record over sr too. You can't go wrong with campy though!

Do we know why this is?

Maybe it's cost. The SR cranks offer better BB bearings, but there is no SR chain, only Record and Chorus. With SR, you get a few more Ti cogs that wear out really fast. The remaining differences are truly trivial, like the single Ti part in the shifters and a single Ti bolt on the FD.

Those cutouts in the brake levers expose the shifting mechanism to more dirt and sweat. They might look cool, but they are not practical.

I have been running SR11 since early last year in one bike and Record 10Sp in another. I do use the record chain and the Chorus cassette in the SR set. I cannot compare it to Shimano either as I have been using Campy since the late 80's. Well, with the exception of 2 one year periods. In one, I ran Shimano 105, which was great and reliable back then for what it was and the second period was Ultegra. I hated the living crap out of the fit of my hands on both briefters. I just never seemed to find a comfortable position for even a second. Campy has always fitted my hands like a glove, so it has been a no brainer proposition to use it.

Personally, If I had to choose between ****mano and Campagnolo today, it would be hands down Campagnolo. Yes, it can cost a bit more, but the option of not being disposable and the fact that these things are just made to last forever are a huge plus. The ceramic BB bearing in SR11 is simply amazing. I mean, I don't feel I go faster or use less watts, but it just seems to spin like butter. It is hard to describe, but compared to my compact Chorus 11Sp crank it is a noticeable difference.

If I had to guess as to why pro's don't use SR11, I would have to say weight. Between parts, frames, and wheels being so light anymore, a lot of the high end pro's actually have to add weight/heavy parts to the bikes to achieve the UCI legal weight. Performance wise, outside of the ceramic BB bearing described above, I can't hardly think of anything that SR11 does better than Record or even Chorus for that matter. As DaveS pointed out, it is weight that makes the difference.

So how does this sound:
Record group with SR BB and Chorus Cassette.
Sounds like this may be the best of all options.

SR cranks go only with SR cups. The cranks have the bearing on it, but the cups provide the "seal". The Record and lower cranks go with the record cups. You can replace their bearings, but the cost is so high by themselves you might as well get the SR cranks and cups.

Hmmmmmm.......... Back to the drawing board

When I go to the Campy site and compare Record and SR cranks they say this about both cranks

"integrated ULTRA-TORQUE™ semi-axles - requires ULTRA-TORQUE™ BB cups"

I am confused.......It looks like both cranks use the Ultra Torque spindle and both require the UT BB cup. Where do they differ?

All cranks have the bearings in them pressed in already. The cups screw into the bb. The cranks/bearings sit on the cups, and a "screw" hold the 2 crank arms attached to each other through the bb. The sr cranks come with the ceramic bearings, which need a seal provided by the sr cups. If you choose to use the record cups, they do not seal the bearings and they will get ruined over time. The bearings on the record, chorus, etc do not require a seal. Therefore, the record cups go with them as they provide no "seal". All cranks work just as well with all deraillers and briefters so long as they are all 11 sp. If you choose to get ceramic bearings to replace the regular ones that came with your chorus cranks, for example, you would also have to replace the cups to sr cups. The cups are very cheap though. That is if you get the CULT ceramic bearings. Not the same with other aftermarket ceramic bearings.

That is how I understand it anyway, but DaveSSS is the undisputed all things Campagnolo guru". When in doubt, go with what he said!!!

What you said makes perfect sense. My mind is still in Shimano mode where the bearings and cups are all in one. This also explains as to why the Campy BB cups are only $20.00

I would confirm what the others have said. I have SR11 on my New Pinarello (probably about 500-750 miles so far on it) and was on Record 10sp with a few Chorus parts (brakes, shifters) on my old steel Pinarello for 1 1/2 years prior. I went with a complete SR gruppo (except for a Record cassette) on the new bike because I got a great deal (paid less than Record, actually- my LBS had a gruppo in stock that they wanted to move and beat any on-line price I could find at the time). The crankset is really, really smooth, as is the shifting, although I must say that the shifting is pretty darned quick and smooth on the old setup, too. I am running the same Fulcrum 3's on the new bike with 11sp that I used on the old bike with 10, and have had no problems whatsoever.

With the strong dollar right now you might want to price things from one of the UK websites like PBK, Ribble or Wiggle. I'll bet you can get a good deal on the SR cranks.

I bought mine when the dollar was weak 1+ years ago, but I pieced it individually from PBK or Wiggle (can't remember now). So much cheaper than anything here in the US.

https://www.shinybikes.com/bike/Groupsets/

https://www.slanecycles.com/bike-part...ts-c-6_12.html

I have SR on my tandem and my half-bike, but not enough miles to meet your criteria. I really really like the 11-speeds, especially in 12-29. You can get a great deal on it, so why not?

Campagnolo Record for less than Ultegra.

I will order directly from QBP. Benefits of being a shop rat

Is it as cheap?

Dealer cost but not cheap but then again, what is...

That was my question. Is dealer cost less than prices from the UK? How about a straight answer?

I actually haven't even looked but I will.....

gary - do it. and get some pictures up!

the sooner you dump shimano the sooner you wont be looking back.

IMO, Shimano f'ed the dog on the new DA and Ultegra series', I've heard nothing but good things about the new 11 speed stuff, and the shifter works for my hands, however it's still got the button.

Believe it or not, a certain bike shop in Belgium has prices on SR11 that are hundreds cheaper than shop cost, let alone online prices.

You're implying that he's already looking back upot.n Shimano, when in reality, it's what he's currently riding, so Shimano is not the past, it's the present. Currently Gary is stuck in a conundrum where he is looking at his present situation (Shimano) and looking to an alternative (Campagnolo). If Gary is doing any looking back, then it is at the years that Shimano has faithfully served him.