Long Term SR11 users
06-21-10 | 09:53 AM
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Dave, Your the Campy expert here no qualms about it but I can tell you that any shop in the states that sells SR for $1,650 and purchases it from QBP who is the largest parts distributer in the US will soon be locking there doors due to selling stuff for less than cost.
That's what I've told you before. You can buy Campy groups for below US wholesale prices at any number of stores in the UK. Those prices are current at Shiny Bikes. They are about as low as they get, due in part to the current currency exchange rate.
06-21-10 | 10:22 AM
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Does anyone know if the UK online sellers will mix up the componets? My choice would be to buy SR shifters and crankets and everything would be Record except for the cassette which would be Chorus.
Also, I would buy a 12-29 cassette and I haven't seen any of those on the UK websites. I have a 2006 Chorus Triple that I would like to upgrade.
Also, I would buy a 12-29 cassette and I haven't seen any of those on the UK websites. I have a 2006 Chorus Triple that I would like to upgrade.
06-21-10 | 03:06 PM
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I'm sure that any of the big sellers like Ribble, Shiny Bikes or PBK will mix parts, since they also sell each part separately. You can send an e-mail and ask, or total the price of all the parts and see how the total compares. Some places offer a significant discount with a groupo and others don't.
The SR shifters don't offer a thing, other than the name and cutouts in the brake lever.
The SR shifters don't offer a thing, other than the name and cutouts in the brake lever.
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06-21-10 | 05:41 PM
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I'm sure that any of the big sellers like Ribble, Shiny Bikes or PBK will mix parts, since they also sell each part separately. You can send an e-mail and ask, or total the price of all the parts and see how the total compares. Some places offer a significant discount with a groupo and others don't.
The SR shifters don't offer a thing, other than the name and cutouts in the brake lever.
The SR shifters don't offer a thing, other than the name and cutouts in the brake lever.
06-21-10 | 05:49 PM
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Dave, Your the Campy expert here no qualms about it but I can tell you that any shop in the states that sells SR for $1,650 and purchases it from QBP who is the largest parts distributer in the US will soon be locking there doors due to selling stuff for less than cost.
06-21-10 | 05:52 PM
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I've heard that the SR shifter cutouts can actually allow dirt/rain to get into the internals easier. No experience, just hearsay.
For the cranks, well the Record UT is almost double the cost as Chorus, and that only gets you a 38 gram savings basically. Did I hear right that its from some additional hollowing? The Super Record will get you CULT ceramic bearings.
A Chorus crank with CULT bearings bought afterwards would still be less than Record.
For the cranks, well the Record UT is almost double the cost as Chorus, and that only gets you a 38 gram savings basically. Did I hear right that its from some additional hollowing? The Super Record will get you CULT ceramic bearings.
A Chorus crank with CULT bearings bought afterwards would still be less than Record.
06-21-10 | 08:04 PM
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06-21-10 | 09:41 PM
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I switched to 11 speed when it first became available in late '08. I've got it on three bikes. The only problem with the new ultrashift ergo levers is the possibility of cable friction fouling up the shifts to smaller cogs. You must use Campy's ultra low friction cable housing or some other 4mm housing with similar properties. I've managed to get Shimano housing to work.
A few brands of hubs or wheels don't work properly with 11 speed, even though they work with 10 speed. Campy hubs and wheels work with 10 or 11 speed. I've had no problems with Ksyrium SLs or powertap hubs. Some DTs hubs have problems.
I chose to buy Record groups with Chorus cassettes, since SR offers very little for the extra $$$. The only part that may be worth the cost is the crankset that has the CULT ceramic bearings. The rest of the parts have trivial amounts of additional carbon or a Ti bolt here or there that saves a few grams. The Ti cogs on Record and SR cassettes will last about half as long as Chorus steel cogs and cost a lot more.
A few brands of hubs or wheels don't work properly with 11 speed, even though they work with 10 speed. Campy hubs and wheels work with 10 or 11 speed. I've had no problems with Ksyrium SLs or powertap hubs. Some DTs hubs have problems.
I chose to buy Record groups with Chorus cassettes, since SR offers very little for the extra $$$. The only part that may be worth the cost is the crankset that has the CULT ceramic bearings. The rest of the parts have trivial amounts of additional carbon or a Ti bolt here or there that saves a few grams. The Ti cogs on Record and SR cassettes will last about half as long as Chorus steel cogs and cost a lot more.
Dave, does Record have significant advantages over Chorus? I could buy Chorus for less than Record. Those Cult ceramic bearings on the SR sound appealing and I might consider getting the SR crank for that reason.
However, it will most likely be 2011 before I upgrade. I will get a new set of wheels first and then hopefully upgrade the groupo next year.
06-21-10 | 11:31 PM
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Without a doubt no one can tell the difference between the Chorus, Record, or Super Record while riding. That said, I bought a Super Record group and it works fantastic. Only 6 months on it.
06-22-10 | 07:25 AM
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Dave, does Record have significant advantages over Chorus? I could buy Chorus for less than Record. Those Cult ceramic bearings on the SR sound appealing and I might consider getting the SR crank for that reason.
However, it will most likely be 2011 before I upgrade. I will get a new set of wheels first and then hopefully upgrade the groupo next year.
However, it will most likely be 2011 before I upgrade. I will get a new set of wheels first and then hopefully upgrade the groupo next year.
Chorus should have bushings on the brake pivots, but I've never noticed the difference, in use. The Chorus RD has brass bushings on the RD jockey wheels, rather than ceramic, but that's really trivial. The rest of the differences are minor weight reductions.
06-22-10 | 07:27 AM
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They were right. A Chorus group is only a little over $1000 from the UK.
06-22-10 | 07:29 PM
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07-09-10 | 02:06 PM
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Sorry for the late reply, but I've been on vacation. I have a set of Mavic Ksyriums, a set of Dura Ace 7850 C24's, a set of Edge 1.45's (Alchemy ELF/ORC hubs), and some Kinlin XR-270's (Alchemy ELF/ORC hubs), all Shimano compatible. Although the Alchemy hubs can be converted to Campagnolo, it is not easy and would require a new freehub, axle, and re-dishing the rear wheel.
07-09-10 | 02:28 PM
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I found out GVH has had a price cut on Campy groups that makes them competitive with the UK sellers. It's worth checking out if you're in the market. Make sure you call or email for current prices. The kit builder is out of date.
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