Good reason to wear a base layer
08-02-10, 11:56 PM
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Man... that looked pretty nasty (and it also looked like it COULD have been a crapload nastier). Glad you were OK.
I'm a noob but it seems like that guy was not in the safest position to be going as slow as he was going (why wouldn't he pull off to the right or something???). Also, seems like the guy in green pushed you out and you were trying to focus on getting back on the right side of the yellow line (which is a good thing IMO) and that guy came out of nowhere. I don't think any one rider was to blame 100% but I can't see how any of it was your fault (other than maybe if your reaction times were superhuman or something... why the fark aren't you batman???).
I'm a noob but it seems like that guy was not in the safest position to be going as slow as he was going (why wouldn't he pull off to the right or something???). Also, seems like the guy in green pushed you out and you were trying to focus on getting back on the right side of the yellow line (which is a good thing IMO) and that guy came out of nowhere. I don't think any one rider was to blame 100% but I can't see how any of it was your fault (other than maybe if your reaction times were superhuman or something... why the fark aren't you batman???).
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08-03-10, 12:42 AM
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I must say the protection you got from it is really quite impressive... Really makes me consider wearing a base layer more regularly.
08-03-10, 03:31 AM
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what happened to all the comments on youtube? I hear about them here and when i go take a look they are all gone.
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08-03-10, 05:16 AM
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Watching the video I was amazed at how fast that guy came from nowhere. I had to watch several times before, and this was before you went back to watch on the video, to see where he came from. I didn't really understand at first why he was so slow or who is even was.
But....I was going to post the 40mph claim as well. And not as being a smartass either. Just that you said you were not in a sprint and yet elsewhere I thought I read in a thread reaching 40 moh was not all that easy.
I am not a racer nor group rider so these speeds are not in my bag of tricks, so to speak.
Again glad you are okay. Heal well and fast.
Thanks for the clarification.
08-03-10, 05:23 AM
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As for added protection against road-rash being a good reason to wear a base-layer: I guess...but I don't agree it's good enough reason to merit wearing one. I mean, if it were a "good reason," why not--as some have already intimated--cover your arms and legs as well? As they are more likely to get road-rash than is one's torso/back.
Anyway, sucks about the accident, but at least you weren't carried away.
Rest-up & heal-up.
08-03-10, 05:59 AM
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He lost his argument and is grasping at straws. Calling names and trying to belittle others through insult is his acknowledgement of a lost battle. Sorry Beanz, you are being an arse.
Anyone solely blaming umd for this clearly has no understanding of group ride dynamics or has incomplete information. Both apply in this case. He was there in the moment with the visibility and options to maneuver. The rest of us were watching a forward looking video.
Oh, paying attention doesn't always work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_gDKQyQlo
Anyone solely blaming umd for this clearly has no understanding of group ride dynamics or has incomplete information. Both apply in this case. He was there in the moment with the visibility and options to maneuver. The rest of us were watching a forward looking video.
Oh, paying attention doesn't always work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_gDKQyQlo
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08-03-10, 07:26 AM
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Oh don't flatter yourself. I say "fun" because of all the idiotic remarks I've heard from racers. The "if you've never pinned on a number, you've never really done any cycling". My point of fun was to show myself as a recreational cylcist. Racing, sure it's fun! I enjoy competition if you don't know. But I've been involved in several sports and competition, not just cycling.
I know some really good riders that will shake your hand if you're on a HUffy, but others that think too much of themselves because the payed $5 for a license. ( I really don't care about fees but some snobass will name the price)
I have nothing agains racers/racing, only the dumasses who think they are are the sheot cause they've raced. There are plenty of other sports in which I have competed and cyclists are not the best athletes as many will claim (maybe endurancewise sportwise) overall but to many think too much of themselves. I just think it's funny that because a 140 lb rider can beat me up a 10,000 ft climb, he might think he's stronger!
This is one sport that has shown the biggest ration of a-holes compared to others. I've never met a ball player, weighlifter that has said, dude if you've never competed in a race, you aint sheot!
Some of us come here to read about cycling, gather info about parts, rides etc, not criticizm for not using a powermeter or wearing the right color jersey by the pros.
Have toadd, liekmetnioned, I know alot of racers that stop by and are supercool dudes. They tell race stories and I listen in awe. But when I mention riding GMR, never do they "dude, you're too fat to climb like all this forum BS! Most are very encouraign and many have never been up GMR themselves. So to visit this forum and read all the snob BS is sickening really.
I don't get it, people come her to act like pros when they aren't! You can ask any of the riders I know and met, I talk and say the exact same things I post here. I don't insult people but if I'm insulted or someone makes a rude arrogant comment, I don't hold back. Not an internet tough guy but I don't insult people online like so many other wannabe snobs here, unless Ii am atacked first.
You, I don't know you and neve have you said anything rude to me, so I have no problem. More than I can say for others. If you want to ge rude, I have no problem either, but I don't think you do, not your personality.
I know some really good riders that will shake your hand if you're on a HUffy, but others that think too much of themselves because the payed $5 for a license. ( I really don't care about fees but some snobass will name the price
) I have nothing agains racers/racing, only the dumasses who think they are are the sheot cause they've raced. There are plenty of other sports in which I have competed and cyclists are not the best athletes as many will claim (maybe endurancewise sportwise) overall but to many think too much of themselves. I just think it's funny that because a 140 lb rider can beat me up a 10,000 ft climb, he might think he's stronger!
This is one sport that has shown the biggest ration of a-holes compared to others. I've never met a ball player, weighlifter that has said, dude if you've never competed in a race, you aint sheot!
Some of us come here to read about cycling, gather info about parts, rides etc, not criticizm for not using a powermeter or wearing the right color jersey by the pros.
Have toadd, liekmetnioned, I know alot of racers that stop by and are supercool dudes. They tell race stories and I listen in awe. But when I mention riding GMR, never do they "dude, you're too fat to climb like all this forum BS! Most are very encouraign and many have never been up GMR themselves. So to visit this forum and read all the snob BS is sickening really.
I don't get it, people come her to act like pros when they aren't! You can ask any of the riders I know and met, I talk and say the exact same things I post here. I don't insult people but if I'm insulted or someone makes a rude arrogant comment, I don't hold back. Not an internet tough guy but I don't insult people online like so many other wannabe snobs here, unless Ii am atacked first.
You, I don't know you and neve have you said anything rude to me, so I have no problem. More than I can say for others. If you want to ge rude, I have no problem either, but I don't think you do, not your personality.
Beanz
While you might not think flying up a mountain or having a good finishing kick to be particularly important skills, it's been well over a hundred years since most people have had to hunt for food or strength was seen as a relevant indication of societal standing. That is to say you seem to be as brutally out of touch as those you complain about.
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08-03-10, 07:40 AM
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Garminconnect ride data? We all know 40 is impossible 
08-03-10, 07:51 AM
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For the first time I feel a bit sympathy for umd. He has a nasty crash. He posts it to entertain the masses, exposing himself to criticism. We thoroughly enjoy the exciting footage and then lay into him for being an idiot. Seems a bit harsh.
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08-03-10, 08:02 AM
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i won't let that happen again.
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08-03-10, 08:25 AM
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08-03-10, 08:28 AM
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Also, cool video umd. I hope you are feeling better.
08-03-10, 08:28 AM
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I dunno what all's the fuss. I watched the video again paying more attention to what was going on and this was truly a "racing incident". I've had my share; have the scars to prove my progress on the learning curve. You can do the coulda-woulda-shoulda with the specific blow-by-blow video, but that's rarely helpful. You only see what you saw the one time; you don't get to replay the tape over and over to see things you should have seen.
Some things I would have tried to do better keeping in mind 20-20 hindsight: I wouldn't have let the guy in green get position on me and push me off my line. Get your bars in front of his and make him go around behind you. I would try to ride the gaps between wheels rather than sitting right behind wheels. Helps with seeing what's going on around you and is a good way to keep position; you aren't as vulnerable to crossing wheels in that position and nobody can get position on you to move you off your line. I think just in general, you gave away position too easily. Basically, umd, I think you just let yourself get pushed around too much in that sprint. But again, this is just hindsight opinion, and you know exactly how much that is worth. The first thing I noticed actually is I am glad I am a bigger guy than you in a sprint (5' 11", 58cm frame - not so happy with it when climbing a hill). I can see over most people, even in the drops.
Some things I would have tried to do better keeping in mind 20-20 hindsight: I wouldn't have let the guy in green get position on me and push me off my line. Get your bars in front of his and make him go around behind you. I would try to ride the gaps between wheels rather than sitting right behind wheels. Helps with seeing what's going on around you and is a good way to keep position; you aren't as vulnerable to crossing wheels in that position and nobody can get position on you to move you off your line. I think just in general, you gave away position too easily. Basically, umd, I think you just let yourself get pushed around too much in that sprint. But again, this is just hindsight opinion, and you know exactly how much that is worth. The first thing I noticed actually is I am glad I am a bigger guy than you in a sprint (5' 11", 58cm frame - not so happy with it when climbing a hill). I can see over most people, even in the drops.
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08-03-10, 08:39 AM
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Beanz, it seems like you have some pent up issue with the way umd posts and more broadly, the current state of BF.
That's fine and all, and you are certainly not the only one that feels this way, but I really don't think this is the appropriate venue to bring all this up.
The poor guy crashed and admitted partial responsibility, what else is there to say?
That's fine and all, and you are certainly not the only one that feels this way, but I really don't think this is the appropriate venue to bring all this up.
The poor guy crashed and admitted partial responsibility, what else is there to say?
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As for added protection against road-rash being a good reason to wear a base-layer: I guess...but I don't agree it's good enough reason to merit wearing one. I mean, if it were a "good reason," why not--as some have already intimated--cover your arms and legs as well? As they are more likely to get road-rash than is one's torso/back.
That said, I've never seriously damaged the skin on my arms in a crash so it is not a priority to me. Legs would be nice but I hate having fabric on my knees because of the constant movement. But my back often gets the brunt of the crash, like this one. I landed directly on my back, and it would have been shredded pretty good had I not been wearing it.
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So from this point on, I will let it go, I'm just hoping we never meet face to face.
Done that's it, I'm going for a ride, stay clear!
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Some things I would have tried to do better keeping in mind 20-20 hindsight: I wouldn't have let the guy in green get position on me and push me off my line. Get your bars in front of his and make him go around behind you. I would try to ride the gaps between wheels rather than sitting right behind wheels. Helps with seeing what's going on around you and is a good way to keep position; you aren't as vulnerable to crossing wheels in that position and nobody can get position on you to move you off your line. I think just in general, you gave away position too easily. Basically, umd, I think you just let yourself get pushed around too much in that sprint. But again, this is just hindsight opinion, and you know exactly how much that is worth. The first thing I noticed actually is I am glad I am a bigger guy than you in a sprint (5' 11", 58cm frame - not so happy with it when climbing a hill). I can see over most people, even in the drops.
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You may have posted an honest opinion but it was combined with a fabricated event in the video (catching a rider on the right). Basing your analysis on fabricated information combined with a complete lack of experience in similar situations, your opinion was worth nothing to me. As your such strong dislike of me, that's pretty impressive for never having met. Are you going to tell me I did to earn your ire?
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Watching things unfold on video is a bit different than when you experience it first hand. I've had riders on sprints pull that exact same maneuver in order to avoid potholes which is why I now move in the same direction they move off to as quickly as I can. Hope you heal up well umd.
(Yes, I've had that happen to me before...bastard)
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You may have posted an honest opinion but it was combined with a fabricated event in the video (catching a rider on the right). Basing your analysis on fabricated information combined with a complete lack of experience in similar situations, your opinion was worth nothing to me. As your such strong dislike of me, that's pretty impressive for never having met. Are you going to tell me I did to earn your ire?
I gave you a chance to drop it, use your brain!
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