Unethical?
09-12-10 | 06:42 PM
#26
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09-12-10 | 06:43 PM
#27
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09-12-10 | 06:44 PM
#28
Throw the stick!!!!
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09-12-10 | 06:44 PM
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Hello everyone!
So i went riding today and i'm going about 18mph (i'm on a mtb BTW with knobby tires) and these two roadies pass me at 21 or so . So i get on their wheel, about two miles later one of the guys turns to me says. You know what you're doing is unethical?
I said, What is? He says following my wheel without permission. I almost fell of the bike when he said that
We went back and forth with it and i told him i've been riding there for 20 years and never heard of such thing. I also told him sorry if i hurt his feelings for riding his wheel and not asking first.(sarcastically of course) I told the guy that was his opinion and that i was going to keep doing it.
So is there such a thing? Was i wrong? Flame on i can take it.
So i went riding today and i'm going about 18mph (i'm on a mtb BTW with knobby tires) and these two roadies pass me at 21 or so . So i get on their wheel, about two miles later one of the guys turns to me says. You know what you're doing is unethical?
I said, What is? He says following my wheel without permission. I almost fell of the bike when he said that
We went back and forth with it and i told him i've been riding there for 20 years and never heard of such thing. I also told him sorry if i hurt his feelings for riding his wheel and not asking first.(sarcastically of course) I told the guy that was his opinion and that i was going to keep doing it.
So is there such a thing? Was i wrong? Flame on i can take it.
But you'll keep doing it.
09-12-10 | 06:53 PM
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Unethical? Yes. Why should I do your work for you? You latch onto my wheel without notice and assume that I'm your servant?
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
09-12-10 | 06:57 PM
#31
Throw the stick!!!!
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From: Charleston, WV
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Unethical? Yes. Why should I do your work for you? You latch onto my wheel without notice and assume that I'm your servant?
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
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09-12-10 | 07:00 PM
#32
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I think you were not in the wrong until you said the sarcastic remark. Take their wheel as a privilege, not for granted.
09-12-10 | 07:06 PM
#33
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It's pretty simple: talk to each other.
Simply ask, "Mind if I work in with you?"
They can accept or decline.
All you have to do is communicate; it's not rocket science.
Simply ask, "Mind if I work in with you?"
They can accept or decline.
All you have to do is communicate; it's not rocket science.
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You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
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You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
09-12-10 | 07:16 PM
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09-12-10 | 07:18 PM
#35
Unethical? Yes. Why should I do your work for you? You latch onto my wheel without notice and assume that I'm your servant?
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
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09-12-10 | 07:20 PM
#36
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I let people do it, although I don't do it to other people. Personally, I don't mind so much, but it can get awkward. Think about it, some stranger right behind you...
One day a chick was drafting me on the way to campus. She didn't ask me and we were both late to class but she said "thank you for letting me draft you!" before she took her turn. That was pretty cool.
One day a chick was drafting me on the way to campus. She didn't ask me and we were both late to class but she said "thank you for letting me draft you!" before she took her turn. That was pretty cool.
09-12-10 | 07:21 PM
#37
Hello everyone!
So i went riding today and i'm going about 18mph (i'm on a mtb BTW with knobby tires) and these two roadies pass me at 21 or so . So i get on their wheel, about two miles later one of the guys turns to me says. You know what you're doing is unethical?
I said, What is? He says following my wheel without permission. I almost fell of the bike when he said that
We went back and forth with it and i told him i've been riding there for 20 years and never heard of such thing. I also told him sorry if i hurt his feelings for riding his wheel and not asking first.(sarcastically of course) I told the guy that was his opinion and that i was going to keep doing it.
So is there such a thing? Was i wrong? Flame on i can take it.
So i went riding today and i'm going about 18mph (i'm on a mtb BTW with knobby tires) and these two roadies pass me at 21 or so . So i get on their wheel, about two miles later one of the guys turns to me says. You know what you're doing is unethical?
I said, What is? He says following my wheel without permission. I almost fell of the bike when he said that
We went back and forth with it and i told him i've been riding there for 20 years and never heard of such thing. I also told him sorry if i hurt his feelings for riding his wheel and not asking first.(sarcastically of course) I told the guy that was his opinion and that i was going to keep doing it.
So is there such a thing? Was i wrong? Flame on i can take it.
Yes roadies have a thing about people silently drafting off them, not sure why.. if a wheel touches it's the one behind that's usually going down.
09-12-10 | 07:22 PM
#38
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09-12-10 | 07:23 PM
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09-12-10 | 07:24 PM
#40
No matches
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From: Eastern PA
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Guess what, if they don't draft me at all, I have a 0% chance of crashing because of them drafting. I'll take the 0%, thanks.
09-12-10 | 07:26 PM
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I had a dumbass hit me from behind because he didn't feel like stopping at an intersection. I didn't go down, but that's not really the point.
09-12-10 | 07:28 PM
#42
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Unethical? Yes. Why should I do your work for you? You latch onto my wheel without notice and assume that I'm your servant?
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
09-12-10 | 07:28 PM
#43
Speed up and you wouldn't have that problem in the first place...
09-12-10 | 07:30 PM
#44
pan y agua
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Reportedly, the new Florida staute confining cyclists to Bike lanes is the reeult of Group rides in SO Florida pissing off a State Congressman.
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You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
09-12-10 | 07:32 PM
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09-12-10 | 07:34 PM
#47
Throw the stick!!!!
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09-12-10 | 07:35 PM
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You should never draft without getting permission because: Today's ride I get a couple hundred yards ahead of the group so I'm soft pedaling and get behind a guy on a beach cruiser. We're doing 8-10 mph and I creep up on him until I'm a foot or so from his wheel. A young lady is walking by on the sidewalk so he waves and says "Hi, xxx!". She knows him and starts talking to him. She's also smoking hot and I'm looking at her and not paying attention as the guy hits his brakes so he can chat and......I have to do a panic swerve to avoid hitting him and looking like a total fool. Of course, by then my friends saw the whole thing and were laughing their asses off.
09-12-10 | 07:41 PM
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Unethical? Yes. Why should I do your work for you? You latch onto my wheel without notice and assume that I'm your servant?
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
Unsafe? People will tell you that the guy in back is the only one who can go down. That's not at all true. Get your front wheel into my rear derailleur, and it'll be a mess.
Were you wrong? Yes. All you have to do is say something. "Mind if I sit in?"
My stock answer is "I don't want you there. Thanks for asking."
If I'm riding by myself it's probably because I want to ride by myself. I don't want to have to think about YOU when I change course/speed.
It's funny that people assume that because it's more efficient to draft each other, everyone wants to. Cycling is not an automatic village on wheels.
09-12-10 | 07:53 PM
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