I cancel'd my post due to a commented shill.

What is a shill anyway?

Shill

A shill is https://tinyurl.com/2eac58l

Aww!

Actually I was NOT shilling only interested in ones opinion on SRAM, especially their shifting dynamics.
I am a Mechanical Design Engineer/Industrial design and always interested in technical products while being an avid recreational cyclist w/ 7 bikes.

Don't know SRAM, indorse their products or market their stuff, although sorry for coming on like I did.

I think he was probably joking. I don't know, I didn't see the original post.

My post was asking what most people thought of sram and especially their shifting dynamics. I have 2010 Force, after having Ultegra/Dura-Ace for 5 yrs and don't know if I am thrilled w/ Force and their shifting. I just find it easier to apply more angular torque to a whole lever to shift rather than a finger motion of a paddle shifter.

WTF is this supposed to mean?

Uh, okay.

Let me help you with that:

MUCH better.

I really wonder how weak of a grip some members have when they complain about SRAM being too hard.

dynamics- noun: deals with the motion and equilibrium of systems under the action of forces, usually from outside the system.

He's asking an engineering question about the mechanics of SRAM shifting versus Shimano shifting. He knows it takes less effort, but he's trying to understand why that is.

Really, do you feel you contributed anything to the thread, or are you just being a troll?

I don't think effort per se means too much, although girls and guys with small hands have reported SRAM works well for them. SRAM is mostly nice because you can shift up and down with two paddles, no need for separate thumb shifters, or using the brake levers. (Campy and Smimano stuff is nice BTW, but SRAM came up with a different idea, and a lot of people dig it) Shimano's Di2, when evolved further, will obviate manual shifting entirely, except for classicists, who like the idea of old-fashioned riding, and doing complete repairs on their own.

I had a SRAM chain on ( then ) new 07 Felt Q720 mtb that broke on the 1st ride and a few times after that, my lbs apologized, put on a Shimano chain, no failures, therefore I'll stay with Shimano.

Yes, because your single incident with a single chain is indicative of a major problem across all parts within all product lines under the entire SRAM brand, and I am 100% certain that your single incident had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with installation or user error in any way....

My shimano chain broke on my bike. I guess you know what that means right?

Yeah, this thread was going new and interesting places before I jumped in. It was perfectly clear what was being asked. It was asked in a stupid way. It's not much of an "engineering" question.

I expect a bit more technical analysis that a 3rd grader would be unable to do from a M.E. Yes, the same work over more distance means less force.

I like the SRAM method for a couple reasons:
1. (this is the main one) Shimano's ergonomics make my smallish hands feel tiny.
2. Shimano's design apparently requires them to lock out the whole lever if I grab a little bit of the paddle while moving the lever or a little of the lever while going for the paddle. I've actually missed shifts over this, not that it matters with my miserable race performances.

Shimano's stuff is fine and I'm sure it's very nice. And it does take less force to upshift.

Di2 has requires even less .

So is Di2 being used in races or is it "beta"?

I commented this being shill with my tongue firmly planted in my cheeks. But I have seen people using the forum to shill by posing similar questions/comments/asking for opinions, etc.

Yes, because your single incident with a single chain is indicative of a major problem across all parts within all product lines under the entire SRAM brand, and I am 100% certain that your single incident had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with installation or user error in any way....

Wow, I don't like their shifters either, I just mentioned my experience with one of their products, I didn't slam the whole company, chill dude.

Threads like this are why I love BF

It uses one paddle.

You gotta love it!!

I like where this thread is going

No, it's not in beta. It's out, and I do believe a few teams rode it in the 2010 tour.

WOW..........this thread became as organized as a riot!!