2ndGen

While I believe the 9's are better made, I'm in no way saying that a 10 is weak at all.
They seem to be having some issues with their BB30 configuration, but other than that, I think they are good enough bikes.
As far as I'm concerned, I always give a new model a year or two to work out it's kinks and reserve judgement.
I believe in CAAD10's "tech". I'm just waiting to see how they hold up. Personally, I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one.

I can say this, the CAAD9's have their issues already worked out. You'd have a trouble free frameset that would
carry your weight with no problems. I'm 220 now at 5'9" and I pound on mine with no mercy. I don't baby it at all.

And you should be able to score on on eBay or your local Craigslist or even the Marketplace threads here on BF.

I think I know a shop that still has some new ones and you can try Google Shopping (aka Froogle).
Type in CAAD9 and see what pops up. You might find a brand new one discounted at some shop somewhere.
https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&so...w=1138&bih=549

Either way, you're going to get one of the best aluminum framed bikes on the market.

Good luck.

2ndGen

I don't need to.
It's true whether or not I post evidence.
It's a fact.
Period.

Chris(NJ)

Thanks! Fwiw, the collar is a Woodman Deathgrip and the skewers are from Bold Precision.

alpha_bravo

Isn't that what people said about the world being flat?

@LemondFanForeve the 10 is built just as well as the 9. Don't let the fanboy's fool you. There's way too much hype and lore in some of these threads. Most of it is people trying to justify their own purchases. If you like it, you'll have no issues getting many great years of riding on a CAAD10.

2ndGen

I don't know. I wasn't there.

There's way too many YEARS of proven reliability and performance worldwide you mean.

What do your ride? I ride a 9.

The CAAD10 hasn't even been out 1 full year yet. How do you know?

So the CAAD9's reputation (which has been out for about 1/2 a decade) is "hype",
but The CAAD10 (which is in it's first production year) is guaranteed to
provide "years" of no issues when it's already giving problems with it's BB?



Geez! At least I'm willing to give the 10 a couple of years of product development before criticizing it.
You're already stating it won't have problems. And the CAAD9, tried & proven is "hype"?

Velo_Tut

I think on a purely aesthetic scale, the CAAD9 is much nicer. True, I own one, but in my opinion the CAAD10 looks like a Trek Madone. I don't care that the '10s are made overseas, but I proudly boast that my 9 was made in the USA. I've read all the reviews on Cannondale's hourglass stays technology and why they abandon it, but I think it gives the CAAD9 character and recognition. There seem to be enough CAAD9 frames still hanging in bikeshops in Florida, so I imagine it wouldn't be difficult to find a frame and have it built up to your specs. I've never ridden a '10, so I can't comment on anything other then their looks, but I can tell you, I think my CAAD9 is a 10 outta 10.... Hahahahahahaha

2ndGen

LOL! I kid you not, my first thought of the 10 was that it looked like my Trek 1.5 (which....looks like a Madone).
I actually like the look of the 10. It looks like a carbon bike, but for metal, I LOVE the round tubes of the CAAD9
which is actually tapered. I was laying on my couch one time and caught some glimpses of my BBQ CAAD9 and
saw it from a different angle. Every tube on that bike is "thought out". Whoever pretends that there's nothing
special about a CAAD9 is clueless. For all that it's propped up to be, IMO, it's still an underrated piece of work.

Uh...EVO has them! They tried straightening out the stays but with their best bike, they went back to the hourglass shape.

Chris(NJ)

Does anyone think the 9-5 ultra fork is worth changing out for something else... like enve, 3t, etc? Advantageous in any way? Not as a necessity, but as something else to personalize the bike a little more? (btw, they didnt go to tapered until the 10s right?)

alpha_bravo

The big issue with the Ultra is the aluminum steerer. It's by no mean a bad fork, but it is fairly heavy compared to the carbon steerer on the Premium. There is a Premium Plus that also has carbon dropouts as well as a steerer but those are rare these days. You can order a Premium through a Cannondale dealer and they'll paint it to match whatever color your bike is for a fairly reasonable sum (I was quoted less than $200 through my dealer).

If you're out of ways to upgrade your bike and have some spare $ burning a hole through your pocket why not go for it. It will lighten your bike pretty considerably (probably in the range of .5 pound depending on the length of the steerer you leave). Personally I think bike weight is overrated unless you're planning on moving to Denver soon. You're not going to notice a night and day difference in feel because of the carbon steerer.

Just my .02...

I <3 Robots

Is that how you approach everything you have no proof of?

Crash716

I've owned both…probably one of the few in this thread that has ridden and raced both…

the 10, as it stands in my eyes is better, because i've ridden both, more than a trip around the parking lot at the local bike shop in flip flops. the 10 is lighter, stiffer and easier on the back after the miles than the 9 was.

of course everyone that owns the 9 will continue to argue the "it's not made in the USA so it must be worse" statement…so what, all your technology is made overseas too, does that mean it's sub-par…nope, keep drinking your koolaid.

as far as the bottom bracket issues…how many cases are there that you know of personally with the 10? I know of 3 people that had BB30 issues with a Caad9…and i still bought one, mine was fine, so far, with almost over 5k on the frame i have ZERO issues with anything.

Velo_Tut

[QUOTE . . . and easier on the back after the miles . . . [/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't both the CAAD 9 and 10 aluminum? So explain to me why the '10 is better for your back? If you owned both bikes, it sounds as if your CAAD9 wasn't fitted to you as well as your CAAD10. I would expect a stiffer bike, i.e. the CAAD10, to be more harsh on your back, especailly because of its aluminum construction. Perhaps I don't understand the science behind the technology.

And 2ndGen, I've noticed many times while cleaning my CAAD9 on the kitchen island how the oversized tubes on the frame change shape and size, especially on the downtube. You can see that the thicker sections provide more stiffness, while the thinner walled areas give the frame its competitive lightness. Either way, I'm impressed.

seejohnbike

^its possible, even if both bikes are set up/fit the same. I'm sure there are better, more scientific terms, but it's a difference between stiffness and smoothness - a stiff frame will resist large frame deflections (especially laterally), to provide a stable pedaling platform, ideally better power transfer, avoid mis-shifts from frame flex, etc etc. A smooth frame will allow for minor deflections vertically to help buffer road buzz. it's that whole "laterally stiff, vertically compliant" and "stiff but smooth" people with carbon bikes waffle on about...

as to why it's 'better' (why it's stiffer but smoother), it comes down to tube shape/thickess differences between the 9 and 10. that's the theory anyway - what absolute or relative difference it makes, idk...

I <3 Robots

OMG...finally...someone that can back up what they say!




They are both aluminum...but the CAAD10 get a complete redesign. The rear triangle now has similar seat stays as the Synpase. It gives you more "vertical" compliance than the hourglass stays of the 9. Its not as much the material...but how the material is manipulated or tuned that defines the ride quality.

cloud

I'm new to the caad world .Picked up a 10 (ultegra)on CL a couple of days ago. Coming off of a Jamis coda elite. According to the bike computer it had 300 miles on it looks brand new. The seller seemed like a real good guy . Just said biking was not his thing. He gave me his pedals ,shoes, helmet, gloves ,3 almost new bibs,the wall mounted bike rack new seat and some other misc.stuff . For$1000.00 . Only put about 40 miles on it so far (had to go out of town for a week) but enjoying it so far.Can't wait till i can go for another ride!

2ndGen

Yes. Absolutely. It's a decent enough fork, but I switched out to an Edge 1.0 (now Enve)
and it's way better, way stiffer and I lost at least 1/2 lb on my CAAD. Is it worth it? Heck yeah IMO.

Yes, CAAD9's are not tapered.

The usual suspects for CAADs are Edge/Enve, 3T and the Cannondale Premium Slice fork (anything pure carbon is great).
There might be one more Edge 1.0 left for $395./shipped from where I got mine. Let me know if you want it, I'll hook you up.
Shipping was wicked fast (48 hours) and was included.

I like the Ultra's look (especially in the sun, the carbon criss-cross weave shows up nice), but I LOVE my Edge.
I'm going to slap the Ultra on my SingleSpeed (along with the other CAAD9 take off bits).

2ndGen

Pretty much!

2ndGen

A) I agree, the CAAD10 is objectively "better"
B) Only the 10's seem to be having the BB problems. (See WW's)
C) The CAAD9 is a better made bike period and will outlast the 10 merely by "how" it was constructed
(metal workers do not lie). And, it has a proven track record for us to reflect upon.
D) The CAAD10 is still unproven. It "just" came out. No one can say how well it will do years from now.
To say it will do will is purely conjecture.
E) It is unfair to compare a 10 to a 9. The 9 is a baby. While it performs better and that is undeniable, it's quality is still suspect.

2ndGen

The CAAD10 has the same design as Cannondale's "comfort" road bike, the Synapse.
The CAAD9's hourglass stays have been carried over to the new cream-of-the-crop flagship SuperSix EVO.
That says what? That when it comes to comfort, the 10 is better.
For performance, the 9 was preferred by Cannondale engineers.

Velo, it is a work of art. I saw a CAAD10. Looked just like my Trek 1.5 (as already stated).
It's very easy on the eyes. I like it a lot, but I LOVE my BBQ CAAD9.
I could've afforded a SuperSix when I got my CAAD9, but I wanted that 9 so bad!
And they were impossible to find brand new in my size AND in BBQ.
I almost bought a CAAD9-4 and I was going to strip it just for the frameset.

The CAAD9 is timeless.

2ndGen

Hey Cloud!

Welcome aboard! I'm jealous and happy for you at the same time.

Chris(NJ)

Awesome, Thanks man! I actually just ordered an edge 1.0 off of the enve site. They had the 2010s for a great price... couldnt pass it up

Velo_Tut

From everything I've ever been told, the CAAD9 was made to be a race bike and has been held high on a pedestal by crit racers because of its hardy and aluminum design, but it almost sounds as if Cannondale was changing the line of CAAD from a race bike to a comfort series. I get that things need to change from time to time, but the old saying, "don't fix it if it ain't broke" seems to apply here; there wasn't anything wrong with the CAAD9 and it didn't need any upgrades. I'm 100% convinced that if Cannondale moved their production overseas and didn't tell anyone, few cyclists here in the U.S. would notice a difference, including the appearance of Cannondale's smooth welds. And if the EVO is using the hourglass stays, then they're not out of date and their technology still works. If I was buying a bike and did my research, read reviews about riders opinions and all, there's a chance I would turn away from a comfort bike and look elsewhere. I'm sure the CAAD10 races just fine, but "comfort bike" and "competition" don't look right in the same sentence to me.

alpha_bravo

The Synapse has both a taller head tube and a longer wheelbase than the CAAD10. They're not even similar designs. If you're talking about the SAVE technology used in the rear seat stays, while that may be utilized in the CAAD, it's not the same as in the Synapse which has longer and more flexible seat stays.

I get a real kick out of how you buy hook line and sinker into corporate marketing. I wonder what you will be saying a year from now when the new EVO comes out with, "New and improved SAVE technology in the rear seat stays." For performance, the bike makes little difference between any of these models. They all put power down just fine.

Velo_Tut

^^^ WHAT'S THIS?!?! No need for facepalm here!

Beaker

Au contraire, I think that one was quite FP worthy.