LOL. I'm going to see Mike at Bicycle Johns in Acton tomorrow. Want to see what he has and pick his brain.

Correct.

Some people seem to think it's hard to shift. I've shifted the front with my pinky so I don't find it very hard at all. Try it for yourself and find out. Also don't just try it with the bike stationary, you have to be pedaling to get a real feel for it.

disclaimer: I have Yokozuna cables and housings.

I have OEM Jagwire cables and I only shift the front with my middle finger when I'm on the hoods.

I find Red easy to shift. Here's how it works.


That guy's got wimpy hands so if he can do it.

Plus you can pull the shifter back to the bars and grip it. Shifting from there is incredibly easy. Maybe 1/4" to shift down.

I didn't bother reading the earlier posts. The answer is right here.

SHIMANO

Ridiculous? The only thing thats ridicuous is SRAM hasn't adressed the FD issue in the last 3 years. Why choose something that you need to tinker with to get to work correctly when there is already a competitors product that works great out of the box?

I understand your viewpoint and agree these problems can be easily overcome if you prefer SRAM Red for one of the reasons listed (shifting style/ergos/tactile feel). Apparently you like SRAM Red and feel that these are small compromises to make. But if you dont have a preference why choose the groupset that you need to replace parts on, even if they're "consumables".

Personally, I may go with SRAM Red myself, I need to test it more to see if I like it.

Which means buy SRAM Force.

Mine works fine. Some people aren't happy with it, but that's what happens sometimes with super-lightweight parts. There is nothing to address, if someone is concerned with it, they have a stiffer but slightly heavier model available.

Nothing says you have to buy the whole groupset together.

+1 I have no complaints. The shifting, ergonomics and lightweight more than make up for any possible annoying characteristics I've heard mentioned. Just try it then report back. GL

The group works fine out of the box. Some people prefer to swap parts on it. You don't have to.

they are both junk! go for microshift....

the campy fan boys are laughing and rubbing their hands with glee watching this.

fan boy may be a bit generous a description of the over 50 population.

I have Force on my Felt that is a couple years old. Brand new Rival on my CAAD. The Rival has quite a bit more resistance when I try to shift, however I have no idea if this is because it is Rival vs. Force, because it's newer, because of different cable routing on the bikes, etc. That said, I didn't notice the resistance difference at all until I moved to CO, rode my Felt for a few weeks straight, then went back to KC and rode the C'dale. Even so, it's not like it's really difficult to push, just not as buttery as my old Force. As for the reach, it's not far at all. My opinion is Sram is the best bang for the buck.

Edit: Just thought I'd add that on my C'dale I have a Red FD that I got for cheap and it works flawlessly. They use them in the pro peloton and I use it with no issues so I'm not sure why people knock it so much.

Or they're crying realizing their precious company can no longer compete based on being "not Shimano."

I recently switched from Shimano to SRAM. My only complaint is that I wish they had wider hoods like the newer Shimano and Campy stuff.

https://www.pelotonmagazine.com/Teste...ew_prerolldone

Pssst;
SRAM, Shimano, and Campy are mfgrs of components, not religions.