It's a problem.
10-06-10 | 07:31 PM
#201
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no, but if we ignore the problem by sticking our heads in the sand, the only thing that the kids will see is the reward, without any of the risk.
10-06-10 | 07:50 PM
#202
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Not enough collateral damage at the top for a positive test IMO. Raise the limits of what is ok to be in the athlete's system so false positives are almost impossible, but at the same time, any positive test above the limits results in a lifetime ban of anyone associated with the team from the sport of cycling.
I can't imagine anyone stupid enough to try and dope in an environment where getting caught takes away 50-100 others people's ability to put food on the table.
I can't imagine anyone stupid enough to try and dope in an environment where getting caught takes away 50-100 others people's ability to put food on the table.
10-06-10 | 08:05 PM
#203
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To reduce the preponderance of doping in the pro peloton... put pressure on the sponsors.
It would be interesting to see just how fast corporate sponsorship would dry up if an anti-doping bond were required... say $2-5 million annually, in that if any of 25 riders on a ProTour team received an adverse analytical finding, the team would forefit their bond on deposit with the UCI (or third party escrow).
I firmly believe that there are a host of drugs out there already which no one really knows about publicly yet, are untestable at the moment, and are in widespread use.
It would be interesting to see just how fast corporate sponsorship would dry up if an anti-doping bond were required... say $2-5 million annually, in that if any of 25 riders on a ProTour team received an adverse analytical finding, the team would forefit their bond on deposit with the UCI (or third party escrow).
I firmly believe that there are a host of drugs out there already which no one really knows about publicly yet, are untestable at the moment, and are in widespread use.
10-07-10 | 08:32 AM
#204
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https://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...lastics_145229
sorry if already posted. Here is a really good article on stuff related to 'the problem'
sorry if already posted. Here is a really good article on stuff related to 'the problem'
10-07-10 | 09:05 AM
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https://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...lastics_145229
sorry if already posted. Here is a really good article on stuff related to 'the problem'
sorry if already posted. Here is a really good article on stuff related to 'the problem'
10-07-10 | 10:22 AM
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Not enough collateral damage at the top for a positive test IMO. Raise the limits of what is ok to be in the athlete's system so false positives are almost impossible, but at the same time, any positive test above the limits results in a lifetime ban of anyone associated with the team from the sport of cycling.
Doping is a science - the metabolism of the PEDs is well-known. Contador got busted because the new lab can detect levels Contador and/or his doctor(s) thought were undectable.
I can't imagine anyone stupid enough to try and dope in an environment where getting caught takes away 50-100 others people's ability to put food on the table.
10-07-10 | 10:24 AM
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10-07-10 | 10:33 AM
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10-07-10 | 12:13 PM
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here in rural OK, we had a gym owner who went to jail for drugs, and the gym was seized by RICO. He had multiple forms of steroids, HGH, xanax, extacy, and some others. He also had relations with a doctor whom he would "refer patients to" for PEDs. When he was deposed, he gave up his client list which included a bunch of HS football, track, and baseball players (boys and girls)who's names were sealed, some regular gym rats, and a bunch of local cops.
Having "relations" with a doctor. What's next? A lawyer?
10-07-10 | 01:06 PM
#211
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10-08-10 | 11:48 AM
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astana source alleges Contador used clenbuterol at Criterium du Dauphine
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine
hmmm....
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine
hmmm....
10-08-10 | 11:55 AM
#213
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It would scare me enough to know that they can find trace amounts of the plastic bag that carried my blood into the hotel.
I wonder if that same test could taste the cedar plank that my salmon was infused with, because I sure can't.
"The cedar plank is soaked in water, and then when set on top of a grill. The wood smoke caused by direct heat is infused in the salmon and creates a great flavor that pairs nicely with the Maple Syrup and Mustard Glaze"
I wonder if that same test could taste the cedar plank that my salmon was infused with, because I sure can't.
"The cedar plank is soaked in water, and then when set on top of a grill. The wood smoke caused by direct heat is infused in the salmon and creates a great flavor that pairs nicely with the Maple Syrup and Mustard Glaze"
10-08-10 | 02:49 PM
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astana source alleges Contador used clenbuterol at Criterium du Dauphine
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine
hmmm....
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine
hmmm....
10-08-10 | 02:54 PM
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10-08-10 | 02:58 PM
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10-08-10 | 05:44 PM
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astana source alleges Contador used clenbuterol at Criterium du Dauphine
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine
hmmm....
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine
hmmm....
10-08-10 | 06:24 PM
#220
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My thinkest thou dost protest too much.
https://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...outlets_145469
Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.
https://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...outlets_145469
Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.
10-09-10 | 05:35 AM
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Alberto Contador says he’s not going to take it anymore and has moved to legally challenge media outlets for “absolute lack of veracity.”
Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.
Last edited by achoo; 10-09-10 at 05:42 AM.
10-09-10 | 05:44 AM
#222
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My thinkest thou dost protest too much.
Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.
Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.
10-09-10 | 05:47 AM
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10-09-10 | 05:51 AM
#224
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Read the book, "A Dog in a Hat".
10-09-10 | 06:07 AM
#225
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This anti-Alberto mentality here is unfathomable. If he got popped for doping, that's bad enough, and very bad for the whole sport, but the glee I'm witnessing on the web on this is pretty friggin moronic.
But in keeping with the typical bike weenie mentality. Carry on.
But in keeping with the typical bike weenie mentality. Carry on.