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Old 10-26-10 | 09:46 AM
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Thank goodness this thread was created. I am looking for some new tires. They have to be completely flat resistant, roll like a race tire , and under 200 grams. Thanks in advance. Oh, I also would like to know what the best chain lube is too.
I'm not sure about the first two characteristics, but these tires are very light. Also, they are wide, which decreases rolling resistance.

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Old 10-26-10 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy
Has it ever occurred to you that starting a thread that contains links to a large number of threads on the same subject might actually be helpful to some?

Can you not see past the sarcasm inherent in the title to notice the amount of actual work put in to something as well?

Talk about judging a book by its cover.

You can't fool me. This thread is a personal attack. It has little to do with the stated premise.
To be certain, I was having a little fun at the expense of a frequent poster. But so do many threads, and messing around is not the same thing as an attack. And to make this particular member out as some sort of victim is ludicrous -- just read a bunch of his posts.

Links to particularly good threads are useful. Telling people who are trying to get started to sift through a large collection of links to threads with high noise levels containing many hundreds of posts and no synthesis to guide them beforehand does not (hence the motivation for the parody). Nor does intimidating members who slipped up because they aren't yet used to conventions here.

Those who are most concerned by noise can start by not being a major contributor to it. Complaining about racket on a forum is no different that emailing a discussion list complaining of excessive email. Adding posts with no helpful content to a thread augments the already high noise level. To quote a post that's appeared many, many times here, "pot. kettle. black."

As for myself, I think it's not crazy to have discussions on a discussion forum and the noise is an important part of what makes BF what it is. People who just need the facts should consult the endless supply of reference services.

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If you had done a quick search, you would have found these threads, making this one unnecessary.
As the the OP notes, endless whining about repetition is not considered repetition. It's not about what's necessary, it's whipping the n00bs into shape and telling them to find their own dang answers. Get with the program
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Old 10-26-10 | 09:56 AM
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fine. I call it an attack, you call it a bit of fun. I can accept that. You have no reason to lie to me. It's a bit of fun.

Can you accept this? > Perhaps you aren't reading other people's intentions any better than I am reading yours.
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Old 10-26-10 | 09:58 AM
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To be certain, I was having a little fun at the expense of a frequent poster. But so do many threads, and messing around is not the same thing as an attack. And to make this particular member out as some sort of victim is ludicrous -- just read a bunch of his posts.
passive aggressive attacks rock.
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Old 10-26-10 | 09:59 AM
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:08 AM
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I feel like the new kid in the 8th grade locker room. Everyone else but me seems to know what this all bad blood is about. (And wow are you guys fat.)

I vote for bans on any post with that stupid popcorn smiley; any post that says ****; or any post in which any forum member is answering his own question or talking to himself.
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:10 AM
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I feel like the new kid in the 8th grade locker room. Everyone else but me seems to know what this all bad blood is about. (And wow are you guys fat.)

I vote for bans on any post with that stupid popcorn smiley; any post that says ****; or any post in which any forum member is answering his own question or talking to himself.
I'm ok with the first 2, but I rather enjoy pCad getting lost in his own thoughts.
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i paid $12 membership to this site. ill ask all the stupid questions i want. dont like my questions or feel youve seen it hundreds of times before then dont even click on the link...

simple as that. the end.
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:17 AM
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i paid $12 membership to this site. ill ask all the stupid questions i want. dont like my questions or feel youve seen it hundreds of times before then dont even click on the link...

simple as that. the end.
You people and your silly ideas.
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: ****...this is pure awesome-ness
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Lanterne Rogue
I feel like the new kid in the 8th grade locker room. Everyone else but me seems to know what this all bad blood is about. (And wow are you guys fat.)

I vote for bans on any post with that stupid popcorn smiley; any post that says ****; or any post in which any forum member is answering his own question or talking to himself.
****
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Great post, z90!
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:19 AM
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: ****...this is pure awesome-ness
Awe, you beat me to it
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:20 AM
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Great post, z90!
I gave tag 30 seconds, but you stole his thunder.......
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:26 AM
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I vote for bans on any post with that stupid popcorn smiley; any post that says ****; or any post in which any forum member is answering his own question or talking to himself.
Good luck with that.
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy
fine. I call it an attack, you call it a bit of fun. I can accept that. You have no reason to lie to me. It's a bit of fun.

Can you accept this? > Perhaps you aren't reading other people's intentions any better than I am reading yours.
Accepted. I further acknowledge that even though I don't know for certain how my actions are perceived, I don't worry too much about injuring the psyches of members who play considerably rougher than most. In the case at hand, botto doesn't seem too traumatized.

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That's an insult to the females on here. Seriously.
We have very few women here, and the vast majority don't hang around very long. I hope no one wonders why.
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:45 AM
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Accepted. I further acknowledge that even though I don't know for certain how my actions are perceived, I don't worry too much about injuring the psyches of members who play considerably rougher than most. In the case at hand, botto doesn't seem too traumatized.
We have very few women here, and the vast majority don't hang around very long. I hope no one wonders why.
Correct...trauma gets botto-ed.
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Old 10-26-10 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by banerjek
As the the OP notes, endless whining about repetition is not considered repetition. It's not about what's necessary, it's whipping the n00bs into shape and telling them to find their own dang answers. Get with the program
I am still waiting for an answer to Tulex's question about why it bothers people if a question is a FAQ. Ignore and move on with your life - if this is the biggest worry in your life, consider yourself lucky.

And given the absolutely absurd level of crap that gets posted here without any issues (ref: Addiction, among others), I find it churlish to berate members for asking genuine questions (although I think the post that sparked this thread was actually a positive way to tackle the issue).

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Old 10-26-10 | 10:50 AM
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i paid $12 membership to this site. ill ask all the stupid questions i want. dont like my questions or feel youve seen it hundreds of times before then dont even click on the link...

simple as that. the end.
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that looks more than $12...i wouldnt burn away that much money on stupidity
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Old 10-26-10 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Specialized2k10
that looks more than $12...i wouldnt burn away that much money on stupidity
We all do -- that's why cycling purchases are all about...
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Old 10-26-10 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Whatever you're about to ask, someone has posted something on the topic somewhere. So instead of asking, use the search feature or google because it's all out there.

The purpose of these forums is to provide an environment for senior members to endlessly repeat themselves and admonish n00bs.

Under some circumstances, it is appropriate to discuss new cycling products -- so long as you have spent no less than 3 hours exploring the company website, all other forums, and the rest of the internet to make sure what you were going to ask wasn't already posted.

It is always OK to start a thread whining about repetitive threads. Although you'll see many of them, threads complaining about repetition are not considered repetitive, nor are single word posts that have been used hundreds or even thousands of times.
Well said. It's amusing to watch some people's exasperation at previouly asked questions, though.
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Old 10-26-10 | 12:12 PM
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We have very few women here, and the vast majority don't hang around very long. I hope no one wonders why.
They have their own secrect thread that we don't have access to, not even the male mods.
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Old 10-26-10 | 12:12 PM
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passive aggressive attacks rock.
It's not really passive aggressive if everyone realizes he's talking about you. I mean, it's not aggressive aggressive, because he didn't say "SHUT UP BOTTO YOU WHINY OLD CURMUDGEON". But I don't think it's passive aggressive.
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Old 10-26-10 | 12:18 PM
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They have their own secrect thread that we don't have access to, not even the male mods.
I wonder if discussions there are as dumb as they are in the 41. That would be impressive.

On the off chance that there are still any women reading this thread, can we have a comment on that?
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