Double vs. triple crankset
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Double vs. triple crankset
What are the pros and cons of a double vs. a triple crankset? My Fuji has a triple and I was glad to have that third sprocket on a huge hill the other day. I'm considering getting another bike, that happens to have a double crankset, so my wife and I can both ride. Rocommendations?
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I have a triple on my bike and plan on replacing it with a compact within the next year mainly so I do need to shift front chain rings. I can stay in the 50 chain ring with a 12-27 98% of the time.
Triple advantages:
Close gear ratios. My bike has a 13-26. This is about the same gear ratio as a 12-29 on a compact. So the jumps between gears will be closer with the triple.
It is possible to have a higher and lower gearing with a triple but may not be necessary depending on where you live.
Compact (double) Advantages:
It weighs less
For the majority of the riding you will do in So Cal, you may only need the big chain ring. So, you will seldom need to shift the front chain rings.
Some say a compact double shifts better than a triple although I have not had an issue with my triple.
You will not have an issue with cross chaining on the compact where it may be a concern on the triple.
Triple advantages:
Close gear ratios. My bike has a 13-26. This is about the same gear ratio as a 12-29 on a compact. So the jumps between gears will be closer with the triple.
It is possible to have a higher and lower gearing with a triple but may not be necessary depending on where you live.
Compact (double) Advantages:
It weighs less
For the majority of the riding you will do in So Cal, you may only need the big chain ring. So, you will seldom need to shift the front chain rings.
Some say a compact double shifts better than a triple although I have not had an issue with my triple.
You will not have an issue with cross chaining on the compact where it may be a concern on the triple.
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The older you get, the more you'll appreciate a triple. I'm 59 and I have a triple on my Allez. I like it.
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Triple has more options, but is a bit more complicated and heavier. Usually the more gearing is better for older riders, or brand new riders.
Double weighs less, tends to shift better, and weighs less.
Double weighs less, tends to shift better, and weighs less.
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I'm sure the weight difference is a mere few grams, and at 42 and a new rider I'm all about the low gears to get me up the hill. I'm getting the idea that if I want to be a competitive racer I want the lightest bike I can get, which means a compact. But a non-competitive "older" new rider like myself with knee surgery upcoming, the triple sounds like the way to go.
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I'm sure the weight difference is a mere few grams, and at 42 and a new rider I'm all about the low gears to get me up the hill. I'm getting the idea that if I want to be a competitive racer I want the lightest bike I can get, which means a compact. But a non-competitive "older" new rider like myself with knee surgery upcoming, the triple sounds like the way to go.
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I don't have any shifting or setup problems with my Ultegra triple. It works flawlessly, just like my SRAM Red compact double.
I can't tell the weight difference between the triple crank and the compact double without using a gram scale.
Anything I can climb using my triple (52/39/30 + 12-27 cassette) I can also climb using the compact double (50/34 + 11-28 cassette); there's just not enough difference in gearing that it matters.
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Someone posted in one of my threads about the ratios between a Triple and a Double. You can get the same low gear ratio on a Double if you get a SRAM Apex Gruppo. So a 34/32 is the same as the 30/28 combo. For me, there is only one bike out of 3 choices that carries an Apex. The other cheapest option for the other 2 bikes if I were to get a Compact is to switch out the cassette to an 11-32 with MTB RD. Otherwise, I have 2 options out of the 3 that are available in Triple with 11-28.
So this is really more of a personal taste than anything else. I may end up getting a Triple with 11-28 so I can basically use the 39 mid-ring for almost everything to rebuild my legs, use the 30 for steep climbs, and once the legs return, at least I still have the Standard 52/39. Competing is not in my list so this is probably the reason why I favor the Triple over the Compact even if it is a few grams more. Those few grams are nothing if all you're after is fitness and leisure.
In your state, go with what you think is comfortable for you, but if your concerns are weight and low gearing, find a bike that carries an Apex. A high 18 or low 19 pound bike with an Apex gruppo is still fairly light... considering you are aiming for a CF. It will be cheaper too! Then again, if looking at my choices, the Triples seem to be lighter than the Apex gruppo. Must be the Wheelset... and it's more expensive too!
So this is really more of a personal taste than anything else. I may end up getting a Triple with 11-28 so I can basically use the 39 mid-ring for almost everything to rebuild my legs, use the 30 for steep climbs, and once the legs return, at least I still have the Standard 52/39. Competing is not in my list so this is probably the reason why I favor the Triple over the Compact even if it is a few grams more. Those few grams are nothing if all you're after is fitness and leisure.
In your state, go with what you think is comfortable for you, but if your concerns are weight and low gearing, find a bike that carries an Apex. A high 18 or low 19 pound bike with an Apex gruppo is still fairly light... considering you are aiming for a CF. It will be cheaper too! Then again, if looking at my choices, the Triples seem to be lighter than the Apex gruppo. Must be the Wheelset... and it's more expensive too!
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I'm sure the weight difference is a mere few grams, and at 42 and a new rider I'm all about the low gears to get me up the hill. I'm getting the idea that if I want to be a competitive racer I want the lightest bike I can get, which means a compact. But a non-competitive "older" new rider like myself with knee surgery upcoming, the triple sounds like the way to go.
I have a 53/42/30 triple with a 13/26 on it.
A 42 X 26 on a triple is the same as a 50 X 29 on a compact; a 53 X 13 on a triple is almost the same as a 50 X 12 on a compact. The 50 X 12 is a slightly larger gear which is an advantage. So, the 50 on the compact will replace both the 53 and 42 chain rings on the triple. For climbing gears, a 34 X 29 is the same as my current 30 X 26. So, I am not losing anything at all. I am losing 330 grams off the crank alone. I suspect that I will loose even more off of the entire group.
As for the age, I am 53 soon to turn 54. I too needed a triple when I first started riding 4 years ago. I no longer need the small chain ring. However, going to a compact will give me the same gear ranges with few gears.
You will never use all 30 gears on your triple, you will use a range of gears. For example, you will use the first 2 or 3 gears on the small chain ring and maybe the last 2 or 3 gears on the big chain ring. With a compact, you will use all of the gears.
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FYI, the latest Rival gruppo also features a medium cage rear derailleur, so it can accommodate the same 32-tooth cassette that Apex uses....
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Time to switch to Shimano: the difference between the Ultegra 6703 triple crank and 6750 compact crank is only 104g (=3.67oz). At least according to them...
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No more polarizing question than this on BF. It's a personal decision. I'm bad at making decisions which is why I have a triple on one bike and a compact double on the other. There are advantages to each...but I will provide the opinion that the only place a 32-tooth cog belongs is on a mountain bike!
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I went from a triple to a compact double a few months ago and I wouldn't go back. My double shifts better and I can use more of my rear cogs with the same chain ring. I live in the mountains so I'm always climbing and never wish I still had a smaller chain ring in the front. If it were me I would get a compact double with larger rear cassette if u need it
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The reason for the big difference in weight between a Campy triple and a compact is because the new Ultra Torque crank doesn't use a bottom bracket. The crank is one piece. This makes the crank much stiffer and much lighter. Campy is moving away from the triples and not putting more R&D into them so their triple technology is outdated.
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Actually, when I tested a Compact 11-28, the 34/28 combo isn't all that bad on climbs. Though I haven't encountered an S turn where the inside turn is much more steeper than the outside. If and when I get my bike, there are a couple of S turns back to back in my area. However, I'm not looking into tackling that climb until the legs are much comfortable. One thing I realized is that you don't necessarily have to always go fast on a climb all the time.
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