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Grumpy McTrumpy 12-15-10 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by 7bmwm3gtr (Post 11940036)
Basic Physics, conservation of momentum.

Sort of like this, pay attention to the initial contact of the golf ball and the club.

relevancy?

wens 12-15-10 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by 7bmwm3gtr (Post 11940036)
Basic Physics, conservation of momentum.

Sort of like this, pay attention to the initial contact of the golf ball and the club.

Your grasp of basic physics is, well, you don't grasp basic physics at all.

Grumpy McTrumpy 12-15-10 09:13 PM

you do realize that it's a tubular?

it snapped back after breaking because the tire was still pumped up.

7bmwm3gtr 12-15-10 09:14 PM

Oh okay, so then the wheel just bent on its own.

Grumpy McTrumpy 12-15-10 09:17 PM

:facepalm:

the wheel did not bend.

it

broke.


mkay?

7bmwm3gtr 12-15-10 09:17 PM

Oh okay, it broke on its own.

awesomejack 12-15-10 09:20 PM

Grumpy is not a funny troll

Shuke 12-15-10 09:27 PM

I don't see how that was entirely Cav's fault. I don't like Cav but it was obvious that Haussler was drifting towards the center too. I would say equal fault of Haussler and Cav.

Props to nosecandy Boonen for running cav over.

rjones28 12-15-10 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by 7bmwm3gtr (Post 11940153)
Oh okay, it broke on its own.

At 00:54 on the video in post 14, you can see how Cavendish's wheel broke.

Herbie53 12-15-10 10:27 PM

that'll buff right out.

sqharaway 12-16-10 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by SBRDude (Post 11940079)
Despite what the announcer said, it certainly looked like Cav caused it.

Probably why he was fined/suspended (don't remember which one...:innocent:).

Motobetird 12-16-10 01:36 AM

Fatigue testing, still today, is a grey area in the polymer industry. I took a class on non-metallic manufacturing processes. The carbon fiber is reasonably well documented and straight forward, its the reinforcing plastic coating which throws the curve balls. Atmospheric pressure, humidity, applied force, and numerous other conditions all play a role. Zipp probably does top of the line testing, and still does not have all of the variables accounted for. The bicycle industry at this level constantly walks the line between weight vs. load.

-The scary thing is that they are starting to make airplane wings out of Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic (CFRP). Apparently manufacturers are confident in their fatigue testing at this level.

- A fun fact: A few Japanese people were injured or killed because a light assembly fell on them. The fixture was suspended in an underground tunnel by bolts held by apoxy. The reason the lighting fixture fell was found to be because fatigued apoxy.

ADSR 12-16-10 01:56 AM

You are all wrong. It's Cav emerging out of the ground in front of the sprint.

WHOOOSSHHH... 12-16-10 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 11939581)
Oh yeah, the other explanation for this photo is that Cav is a d-bag, forgot that part.

Firey competitor, cocky, entertaining = d-bag. I think not.

StephenH 12-16-10 07:09 AM

Looks to me like he hit a patch of wet cement, at least in the still photo.

mihlbach 12-16-10 08:49 AM

Its not Cav's fault, at least not entirely. Haussler veered right and ran into his wheel, causing it to collapse. Watch the slow-mo in the video.

Snapperhead 12-16-10 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Herbie53 (Post 11940480)
that'll buff right out.

roflmao!!! :D

ADSR 12-16-10 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Snapperhead (Post 11941797)
roflmao!!! :D

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...9Vkf1oDjw238iA

Bobsled 12-16-10 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Shuke (Post 11940208)
I don't see how that was entirely Cav's fault. I don't like Cav but it was obvious that Haussler was drifting towards the center too. I would say equal fault of Haussler and Cav.


Originally Posted by mihlbach (Post 11941694)
Its not Cav's fault, at least not entirely. Haussler veered right and ran into his wheel, causing it to collapse. Watch the slow-mo in the video.

How can you guys say that? Looking at the video starting around 14 or 15 seconds up to about 20 seconds in, you can see Mark is way to the left of the guy in blue in between Mark and HH. Then Mark veers toward HH cutting of the rider in blue between himself and HH then slams into HH when HH doesn't yield (not that he's suppose to). The video doesn't lie.

Flak 12-16-10 09:42 AM

Cav broke his line rather dramatically. HH just dropped his shoulder in an attempt to defend himself against the impending collision.

Cav's fault. But we covered this 6 months ago.

K. Olsen 12-16-10 09:44 AM

What a bunch of Freds:D;)

RacerOne 12-16-10 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Motobetird (Post 11940916)
Fatigue testing, still today, is a grey area in the polymer industry. I took a class on non-metallic manufacturing processes. The carbon fiber is reasonably well documented and straight forward, its the reinforcing plastic coating which throws the curve balls. Atmospheric pressure, humidity, applied force, and numerous other conditions all play a role. Zipp probably does top of the line testing, and still does not have all of the variables accounted for. The bicycle industry at this level constantly walks the line between weight vs. load.

-The scary thing is that they are starting to make airplane wings out of Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic (CFRP). Apparently manufacturers are confident in their fatigue testing at this level.

- A fun fact: A few Japanese people were injured or killed because a light assembly fell on them. The fixture was suspended in an underground tunnel by bolts held by apoxy. The reason the lighting fixture fell was found to be because fatigued apoxy.

This is a fun fact?

RacerOne 12-16-10 10:16 AM

I can't believe the skid mark the guy on the far left at 00:32-36 leaves on the ground. Ouch.

mihlbach 12-16-10 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Bobsled (Post 11941931)
How can you guys say that? Looking at the video starting around 14 or 15 seconds up to about 20 seconds in, you can see Mark is way to the left of the guy in blue in between Mark and HH. Then Mark veers toward HH cutting of the rider in blue between himself and HH then slams into HH when HH doesn't yield (not that he's suppose to). The video doesn't lie.

Causality is relative to the degree of proximity. I mean, the parents of both riders are ultimately at fault for having unprotected sex several decades prior and creating pro cyclists.
From what I can see, in the most proximate sense, HH turned into Cavs wheel and caused the accident. Look at the video around 52-53. In the fraction of a second before the crash, HH veers into the wheel, making contact. He could have avoided it, but, judging from the view of his helmet, he wasn't looking where he was going. Study the orientation of the bikes. Cav is going straight. HH is going right...towards Cavs wheel. The commentator made the right call.


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