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pallen 12-16-10 10:38 AM

I was going to guess that it was a hot day and the wheel melted, but someone posted video and that blew my theory.

wens 12-16-10 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by 7bmwm3gtr (Post 11940153)
Oh okay, it broke on its own.

Yep. There was sunlight, it asploded.

It has nothing at all to do with HH's wheel running it over...

:facepalm:

wens 12-16-10 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Motobetird (Post 11940916)
- A fun fact: A few Japanese people were injured or killed because a light assembly fell on them. The fixture was suspended in an underground tunnel by bolts held by apoxy. The reason the lighting fixture fell was found to be because fatigued apoxy.

How is this relelvant? And what the hell is apoxy? And since I'm guessing the light fixture was only undergoing static loads I suspect the problem was creep, not fatigue.

:facepalm:

Spring Water 12-16-10 01:09 PM

Cav is a ******
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:k...970b-800wi&t=1

kabex 12-16-10 02:34 PM

I think both are at fault but yeah cav is the one who could have most easily avoided it(keep his line).

FL_MarkD 12-16-10 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by HMF (Post 11939783)
His base layer saved him. It's always a good idea to wear a base layer.

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.... :)

And for those arguing 'fault', the Tour De Suisse race judges docked Cav 30 seconds in the GC for his riding.

Mark

dnuzzomueller 12-16-10 04:00 PM

I am trying to figure out how the hell his wheel bent at 30 degrees and then simply snapped back into true once the weight was off it...

a_phat_beat 12-16-10 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by BLR_0719 (Post 11939923)
Pardon my ignorance, but I didn't know wheels could bend like that

carbon fiber built components are much less fragile than most people make them out to be...


a_phat_beat 12-16-10 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by dnuzzomueller (Post 11944091)
I am trying to figure out how the hell his wheel bent at 30 degrees and then simply snapped back into true once the weight was off it...

i highly doubt it was true after that, but it didn't "potato chip".

a_phat_beat 12-16-10 04:54 PM

p.s. i think cav proved himself over and over in the races after this one as being a top notch sprinter, even if he is a bit of a whiny baby.

crhilton 12-16-10 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by a_phat_beat (Post 11944308)
carbon fiber built components are much less fragile than most people make them out to be...


The first video would be more interesting if:
1. He used the other end of that hammer.
2. We had a way to know he's being honest and hitting both as hard. He could do this by using a machine to do the hitting.

a_phat_beat 12-16-10 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by wens (Post 11943023)
How is this relelvant? And what the hell is apoxy? And since I'm guessing the light fixture was only undergoing static loads I suspect the problem was creep, not fatigue.

:facepalm:

pretty sure he means EPOXY.
c'mon, you couldn't read through that?

jwible 12-16-10 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by dnuzzomueller (Post 11944091)
I am trying to figure out how the hell his wheel bent at 30 degrees and then simply snapped back into true once the weight was off it...

The rim is broken. The tubular is till glued to it. The tubular returned to its natural circular form once external forces were removed making the wheel appear to have bent and returned to form.

a_phat_beat 12-16-10 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by crhilton (Post 11944331)
The first video would be more interesting if:
1. He used the other end of that hammer.
2. We had a way to know he's being honest and hitting both as hard. He could do this by using a machine to do the hitting.

agreed, there's a little ambiguity in this. but let's not split hairs. carbon won't disintegrate with a bold stare. the 2nd video is a bit "raw" in demonstrating how carbon holds up.
don't get me wrong, i wouldn't ride the fork after abuse like that, but spontaneous combustion hasn't occurred.

crhilton 12-16-10 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by a_phat_beat (Post 11944322)
p.s. i think cav proved himself over and over in the races after this one as being a top notch sprinter, even if he is a bit of a whiny baby.

There's no question about him being a top notch sprinter with the entirety of HTC giving him a perfect run up. So yes, I think HTC proved Cav over and over after that one.

crhilton 12-16-10 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by a_phat_beat (Post 11944347)
agreed, there's a little ambiguity in this. but let's not split hairs. carbon won't disintegrate with a bold stare. the 2nd video is a bit "raw" in demonstrating how carbon holds up.
don't get me wrong, i wouldn't ride the fork after abuse like that, but spontaneous combustion hasn't occurred.

I concur. I just never thought that first video proved much except that you don't have to wear soft gloves to handle carbon.

mustang1 12-16-10 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Flak (Post 11941986)
Cav broke his line rather dramatically. HH just dropped his shoulder in an attempt to defend himself against the impending collision.

Cav's fault. But we covered this 6 months ago.

The latest issue of some british cycling magazine hails cav as a hero. So we needed a timely reminder of his ethics. If anyone followed F1 racing a while back, Ayrton Senna had the same attitude: move outta the way or I'll crash into you and we'll both lose.

Post #38
-The scary thing is that they are starting to make airplane wings out of Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic (CFRP). Apparently manufacturers are confident in their fatigue testing at this level.


Manufacturers being confident? I dont think an R&D guy at that manufacturer would say it's safe. It's probably some business guy's interpretation of what the engineer told him. If/when failure occurs, the engineer will get the blame and the business guy will waltz off to another project, and cause more problems there also.

pallen 12-16-10 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by crhilton (Post 11944331)
The first video would be more interesting if:
1. He used the other end of that hammer.
2. We had a way to know he's being honest and hitting both as hard. He could do this by using a machine to do the hitting.

Thats also no ordinary CF fork. If I had to chose, I would still ride the steel one home over the CF after that. I agree though, its tougher than most people probably think.

Grumpy McTrumpy 12-16-10 05:19 PM

same thing happened to a BF member who will remain nameless

the wheel also snapped back due to the tubular.

http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/11452.jpg

tagaproject6 12-16-10 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy (Post 11944430)
same thing happened to a BF member who will remain nameless

the wheel also snapped back due to the tubular.

http://www.photoscene.com/kima1452.jpg

Thank goodnes the owner of that bike was wearing a base layer :P

Grumpy McTrumpy 12-16-10 05:27 PM

I just realized

southern california grass is ..... crappy.

coasting 12-16-10 05:51 PM

i just realised this thread attracts luddites who will never give up on steel.

HMF 12-16-10 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy (Post 11944452)
I just realized

southern california grass is ..... crappy.


stfu. it was poisoned by the carbon fiber composite.


(former Californian)

Grumpy McTrumpy 12-16-10 07:54 PM

http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/11804.png

helps if you zoom in to like 400%

HMF 12-16-10 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy (Post 11945085)
11804.png

helps if you zoom in to like 400%

I think THAT should have been the picture of the year


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