New Wheels
03-21-11 | 01:44 AM
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I was seriously looking at the Williams 38's and 58's. I have system 30's and use them to train on and they've been bombproof. I've even raced on them. Needless to say im very happy with Williams products.
I know PCAD raves about the 38's. What kind of riding do you do ? How windy is it in your area ? What is your weight ? I went with 38mm clinchers from easton mainly because I climb a lot and the winds could get nasty where i'm at. I rode some 60mm clinchers before and they were a PITA when the wind started gusting. I liked them though. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't it be more beneficial to run a 58mm frt and a 38mm rear opposed to a 38mm front and 58mm real. I imagine a 38mm front would handle better in windy conditions though.
Completely agree with you. They may only make you marginally faster (or faster in your head hahahha) but they completely change the bike.
I know PCAD raves about the 38's. What kind of riding do you do ? How windy is it in your area ? What is your weight ? I went with 38mm clinchers from easton mainly because I climb a lot and the winds could get nasty where i'm at. I rode some 60mm clinchers before and they were a PITA when the wind started gusting. I liked them though. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't it be more beneficial to run a 58mm frt and a 38mm rear opposed to a 38mm front and 58mm real. I imagine a 38mm front would handle better in windy conditions though.
Completely agree with you. They may only make you marginally faster (or faster in your head hahahha) but they completely change the bike.
At this point i'm pretty set on the 38s but since i'm still saving up some dough for them its giving me time to decide.
03-21-11 | 05:58 AM
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I am 5'6" 135lbs
Just went better overall wheel
Faster, aero - not too much as don't want to get blown around in cross wind
Lighter
Can afford any wheel out there but don't want to wast money for no reason
Somehow feel that extra money will not make big difference to me
That being said a thousand or more might make a difference
Just went better overall wheel
Faster, aero - not too much as don't want to get blown around in cross wind
Lighter
Can afford any wheel out there but don't want to wast money for no reason
Somehow feel that extra money will not make big difference to me
That being said a thousand or more might make a difference
03-21-11 | 09:07 AM
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Going from a 25lb entry level Fuji with Sora components and triple chainring to a sub-19lb Felt with 105s is irrational? It's actually probably closer to 18lbs with the Titans on there (the stock Mavics weighed at ton).
The OP is asking what he's going to get with a set of $2000 wheels. He thinks it's suddenly going to make him faster. I doubt it. If he has $2000 to blow, I would recommend he just get a whole new bike instead of just wheels. I'm not saying there is NO difference in cheap and expensive wheels...just that a recreational rider doing the occasional century is not going to notice a difference. I think there are better things for the OP to spend his money on that WOULD make an immediate difference.
The OP is asking what he's going to get with a set of $2000 wheels. He thinks it's suddenly going to make him faster. I doubt it. If he has $2000 to blow, I would recommend he just get a whole new bike instead of just wheels. I'm not saying there is NO difference in cheap and expensive wheels...just that a recreational rider doing the occasional century is not going to notice a difference. I think there are better things for the OP to spend his money on that WOULD make an immediate difference.
03-21-11 | 09:27 AM
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I wouldn't recommend Reynolds Assaults. I have seen two different pair by two different riders delaminate on the brake area after hard braking.
03-21-11 | 10:32 AM
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I've got almost 5 years now of daily riding with Zipp 303s. They are durable and I've never touched them. That's better than any wheel I've own (actually I can say the same about Kysriums).
03-21-11 | 03:13 PM
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I've seen fast and slow riders of all ages and on all kinds of wheels. The equipment they're riding has a lot more to do with preference and income than ability. Doesn't puzzle me, don't know why it doesn't make sense to you.
03-21-11 | 03:20 PM
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Going from a 25lb entry level Fuji with Sora components and triple chainring to a sub-19lb Felt with 105s is irrational? It's actually probably closer to 18lbs with the Titans on there (the stock Mavics weighed at ton).
The OP is asking what he's going to get with a set of $2000 wheels. He thinks it's suddenly going to make him faster. I doubt it. If he has $2000 to blow, I would recommend he just get a whole new bike instead of just wheels. I'm not saying there is NO difference in cheap and expensive wheels...just that a recreational rider doing the occasional century is not going to notice a difference. I think there are better things for the OP to spend his money on that WOULD make an immediate difference.
The OP is asking what he's going to get with a set of $2000 wheels. He thinks it's suddenly going to make him faster. I doubt it. If he has $2000 to blow, I would recommend he just get a whole new bike instead of just wheels. I'm not saying there is NO difference in cheap and expensive wheels...just that a recreational rider doing the occasional century is not going to notice a difference. I think there are better things for the OP to spend his money on that WOULD make an immediate difference.
03-21-11 | 03:26 PM
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I just hope they find someone else to ride with because that will keep them riding and after all that's the most important thing here. Wait....maybe I missed your point. Were you trying to say that wheels should have minimum speed limits?I wonder how fast they'd be going if they didn't have the wheels?
....wonder how their enjoyment of riding is impacted by having them....
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03-21-11 | 03:44 PM
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Why do recreational riders really believe that wheels will make them faster? Save your money. $2000 wheels will do squat for you. Tell you what, OP. Go get some Forte Titan wheels from Performance bike for $150, and give me $1000. I will be your personal trainer for 3 months. In that time I guarantee you will lose 10-15lbs and at the end you will have saved yourself about $800. Your bike will feel lighter and you will be faster.
03-21-11 | 03:52 PM
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Along those lines - where do you draw the line? (posed to those that think there are levels of equipment that "slower" riders should not "waste" their money on) Do you draw the line at simply having a functional bike? Should there be a test before anyone is allowed to get anything nicer than a walmart version of a bike? Until then that's all they "need"?
I don't know about anyone else but when I personally have nice gear it makes me want to ride more often.
I am a sow fat old guy who rides nice gear. I race just about every weekend as well....but I suck at it so I should not waste my money on entry fees either I guess. Would hate to help support the local race scene.
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03-21-11 | 03:57 PM
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I have never understood this need to be fast to own fast equipment. If you have nice equipment you'll enjoy riding it more and that's all that counts.
Look how many people own nice cars, fast cars, even though they never professionally drive them. Yet every car commercial shows the car tearing through a desert or up some crazy hill. Driving would be pretty boring if we were all relegated to a Geo Metro because that is the car best suited to our driving needs (sorry to any Geo Metro drivers out there. . .well, maybe not).
Look how many people own nice cars, fast cars, even though they never professionally drive them. Yet every car commercial shows the car tearing through a desert or up some crazy hill. Driving would be pretty boring if we were all relegated to a Geo Metro because that is the car best suited to our driving needs (sorry to any Geo Metro drivers out there. . .well, maybe not).
03-21-11 | 04:01 PM
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I love seeing that. Odds are they went to a local shop to buy them as well. Awesome I just hope they find someone else to ride with because that will keep them riding and after all that's the most important thing here. Wait....maybe I missed your point. Were you trying to say that wheels should have minimum speed limits?
I wonder how fast they'd be going if they didn't have the wheels?
....wonder how their enjoyment of riding is impacted by having them....
I just hope they find someone else to ride with because that will keep them riding and after all that's the most important thing here. Wait....maybe I missed your point. Were you trying to say that wheels should have minimum speed limits?I wonder how fast they'd be going if they didn't have the wheels?
....wonder how their enjoyment of riding is impacted by having them....
Hey... I AM that guy! Does that mean I need to trade in my golf clubs for something cheaper 'cause I only shoot in the nineties....and that I need to trade in my pickup truck 'cause I'm not hauling/towing something everyday?
That reminds me, I need to e-mail Rob about some new wheels. Feel free to laugh and point when you pass me out on the road...I'll still be having a good time!
03-21-11 | 04:38 PM
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03-21-11 | 04:48 PM
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I've had a great experience with my rol race sl set I picked up last summer, not too pricey, and they look great on the bike. They make a carbon clincher, with an aluminum rim, I'd take a look at those if I were you, they're not super expensive, and aluminum brakes better than carbon. I also have a set of Reynolds SDV66T wheels that I take out on occasion, but I don't ride them as much as I would if they were clinchers, they're kind of only my race/gran fondo/bling up my bike wheels. But day in/day out I use the rols the most.
03-21-11 | 04:51 PM
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One of the things that appeals to me about biking is that it appeals to a lot of different people with different backgrounds. Be it a middle aged guy (like me) or some one twenty years older than me. I think we all get enjoyment out of cycling, and that's all that matters. I just got a new bike - a nice one in my opinion. And no, I didn't have to fill out an application to see I was physically qualified to buy it.
03-21-11 | 05:03 PM
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Or maybe you get enjoyment telling others how you think they should spend their money.
03-21-11 | 08:56 PM
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The OP thinks $2000 wheels are going to magically make him faster. I say it is very doubtful and probably a huge waste of money if that is his goal. Am I wrong?
03-21-11 | 08:59 PM
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The new wheels could make him marginally faster, marginally better handling bike, marginally more comfortable, marginally better looking, marginally make him ride more.
03-21-11 | 09:03 PM
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That only works if he plans to put these wheels onto a Windsor Fens. I am sure the OP has a decent enough bike to put $2k wheels on. How much quicker are you on your 18 pound Felt than you are on your Fuji? If the triple annoyed you so much, you could have just changed that. Going from Sora to 105 did not make you quicker.
By the way, the OP never said what bike he has.
03-21-11 | 09:04 PM
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03-21-11 | 09:30 PM
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I don't think the OP said anything of the sort - he doesn't know what, if anything, to expect out of an expensive wheelset. And you could probably make the case that wheels like Zipp 303's are a huge waste of money for everyone when you consider the marginal benefits over more ordinary aluminum clinchers.