plain black jerseys?
04-18-11 | 12:44 PM
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plain black jerseys?
can anyone recommend some plain black short-sleeve jerseys?
i'm aware of the Pearl Izumi Elite & the Capo Padrone right now.
Note, I do not care about whether it's reflective or day-glo.
looking for black, just black, black black black.
i'm aware of the Pearl Izumi Elite & the Capo Padrone right now.
Note, I do not care about whether it's reflective or day-glo.
looking for black, just black, black black black.
04-18-11 | 01:13 PM
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I've got one of these and it's all right.
https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...2#ReviewHeader
Cheap at least.
https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...2#ReviewHeader
Cheap at least.
04-18-11 | 01:55 PM
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https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...jsp?spid=60515
I have an old Specialized jersey that I like a lot, at least when the weather is cool.
I have an old Specialized jersey that I like a lot, at least when the weather is cool.
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04-18-11 | 02:09 PM
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Must recommend Torm, again - the T3 comes in all black, with the exception of a white strip with reflective elements over the back pockets - https://www.torm.cc/t3.html. If you can live with that patch of white, it's an utterly fantastic SportWool jersey.
04-18-11 | 02:25 PM
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04-18-11 | 02:37 PM
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^ meh, Torm is just a Rapha take-off. Here's the real thing!
https://www.rapha.cc/images/gallery/2392-04.jpg
https://www.rapha.cc/images/gallery/2392-04.jpg
As if Rapha has exclusive rights to an understated look. Yes, I'm aware of the (settled) lawsuit, but at the same time, I can have 3 Torms to your 1 Rapha. While I haven't owned a Rapha, I've handled them and I can tell you that the Torms leave nothing to be desired, so unless Rapha is payin' me to sport their gear...
04-18-11 | 02:37 PM
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Must recommend Torm, again - the T3 comes in all black, with the exception of a white strip with reflective elements over the back pockets - https://www.torm.cc/t3.html. If you can live with that patch of white, it's an utterly fantastic SportWool jersey.
they look good i may try them.
04-18-11 | 02:40 PM
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would anyone mind critiquing my fit on this jersey that just came in the mail?
it's a Pearl Izumi Elite, size Large.
I'm guessing it's too big, particularly bc of how much it bunches in front. I'm a little bit bigger in the waist than i guess i could be, so i'm inbetween sizes. some weight will come off as i get more riding in this summer.
Front:
Side:
Bent:
it's a Pearl Izumi Elite, size Large.
I'm guessing it's too big, particularly bc of how much it bunches in front. I'm a little bit bigger in the waist than i guess i could be, so i'm inbetween sizes. some weight will come off as i get more riding in this summer.
Front:
Side:
Bent:
04-18-11 | 02:44 PM
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After impatiently waiting for about 3 weeks (in fairness, Torm did ship the day after I placed my order), I've finally received a T4 jersey. In short - color me impressed; I'll be buying more.
The SportWool fabric is fantastic. It's listed at 170 gsm, but it feels a little heavier. For reference, 150 is about t-shirt thickness and, in wool, it can be a little sheer, especially with light-colored fabrics. I don't think that this will be an issue with the Torm. When I popped it on to check sizing, it was instantly apparent that it's got all of the temperature and moisture controlling traits that you love about wool, but it was a little smoother and softer on the skin.
Flat seam stitching is very good. The pockets are nice - 3 customary drop-in pockets, the outside pockets are slightly angled so that they're easier to get in to. Also, on top of the two outside pockets are two small zipped pockets - these pockets are lined (not sure if they're water-proof, but I suspect they are) and the zipper pulls have a small ring attached, which should make them easier to open while wearing gloves (I wish that my Earth, Wind and Rider jersey had these). I was a little concerned about the revised back pocket area (a lawsuit concession with Rapha, I expect), but it looks good in person.
Size is exactly what I would expect - I'm 6' tall with broad shoulders and I wear a 44 suit jacket, the XL is slim, but not tight, and the length is good. Unfortunately, XL is the largest I've seen on the site, so if you're bigger than me, it's probably a no-go.
Pricing - the prices listed on the site include VAT(?). When you create an account with a shipping address outside of the UK (and you're logged in), the listed prices will lower to reflect the fact that you don't have to pay VAT. For instance, the short sleeve jerseys go from Ł45 to Ł37.50. Shipping is weight based and is a better value if you buy multiple items - shipping for my single jersey was about $11, adding an item or two doesn't greatly increase the shipping charge, so I'll have to throw in some arm warmers or base layer, next time.
So, uh, yeah - there you have it. Give them some serious consideration the next time you need a jersey - I know that I'll have a couple more before too long (their long sleeve jerseys seem like an even better value, to me - if there were a couple months of winter left, I'd order one immediately).
The SportWool fabric is fantastic. It's listed at 170 gsm, but it feels a little heavier. For reference, 150 is about t-shirt thickness and, in wool, it can be a little sheer, especially with light-colored fabrics. I don't think that this will be an issue with the Torm. When I popped it on to check sizing, it was instantly apparent that it's got all of the temperature and moisture controlling traits that you love about wool, but it was a little smoother and softer on the skin.
Flat seam stitching is very good. The pockets are nice - 3 customary drop-in pockets, the outside pockets are slightly angled so that they're easier to get in to. Also, on top of the two outside pockets are two small zipped pockets - these pockets are lined (not sure if they're water-proof, but I suspect they are) and the zipper pulls have a small ring attached, which should make them easier to open while wearing gloves (I wish that my Earth, Wind and Rider jersey had these). I was a little concerned about the revised back pocket area (a lawsuit concession with Rapha, I expect), but it looks good in person.
Size is exactly what I would expect - I'm 6' tall with broad shoulders and I wear a 44 suit jacket, the XL is slim, but not tight, and the length is good. Unfortunately, XL is the largest I've seen on the site, so if you're bigger than me, it's probably a no-go.
Pricing - the prices listed on the site include VAT(?). When you create an account with a shipping address outside of the UK (and you're logged in), the listed prices will lower to reflect the fact that you don't have to pay VAT. For instance, the short sleeve jerseys go from Ł45 to Ł37.50. Shipping is weight based and is a better value if you buy multiple items - shipping for my single jersey was about $11, adding an item or two doesn't greatly increase the shipping charge, so I'll have to throw in some arm warmers or base layer, next time.
So, uh, yeah - there you have it. Give them some serious consideration the next time you need a jersey - I know that I'll have a couple more before too long (their long sleeve jerseys seem like an even better value, to me - if there were a couple months of winter left, I'd order one immediately).
04-18-11 | 02:55 PM
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I just read this comparo: https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...a-jerseys.html
i'd definitely try the Torm. Size is now the issue (hence the post above)
i'd definitely try the Torm. Size is now the issue (hence the post above)
04-18-11 | 03:04 PM
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I just read this comparo: https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...a-jerseys.html
i'd definitely try the Torm. Size is now the issue (hence the post above)
i'd definitely try the Torm. Size is now the issue (hence the post above)
I'll let others chime in, but I always get that kind of bunching with full-zip jerseys (except with an EW&R piece - it has a dual zip, if I unzip from the bottom to my hips, it doesn't bunch).
04-18-11 | 04:13 PM
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As if Rapha has exclusive rights to an understated look. Yes, I'm aware of the (settled) lawsuit, but at the same time, I can have 3 Torms to your 1 Rapha. While I haven't owned a Rapha, I've handled them and I can tell you that the Torms leave nothing to be desired, so unless Rapha is payin' me to sport their gear...Rapha v Torm
and Torm comes out pretty well as the value proposition. I just happen to like Rapha a lot & they don't pay me either!
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04-18-11 | 05:02 PM
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Uh, not for an experienced eye. In terms of quality, craftsmanship and materials, they're on par. Wearing one while riding would tell me differences in fit, which is going to be unique to the individual. Will I buy some Rapha? Yes, but not if Torm has an answer to the product in question.
04-18-11 | 05:39 PM
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https://twinsix.com/gear/t6-dark
Don't know if you're looking for pitch black but Twinsix does their dark line, these are my favorite jersey. Granted they are expensive I support the home town heroes. Plus the quality is amazing and fit is usually right on.
Don't know if you're looking for pitch black but Twinsix does their dark line, these are my favorite jersey. Granted they are expensive I support the home town heroes. Plus the quality is amazing and fit is usually right on.
04-18-11 | 09:03 PM
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04-18-11 | 09:07 PM
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As if Rapha has exclusive rights to an understated look. Yes, I'm aware of the (settled) lawsuit, but at the same time, I can have 3 Torms to your 1 Rapha. While I haven't owned a Rapha, I've handled them and I can tell you that the Torms leave nothing to be desired, so unless Rapha is payin' me to sport their gear...
04-19-11 | 02:10 AM
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"A lightweight, high-performance race jersey cut for an aggressive position on the bike. Developed in close collaboration with Rapha Condor Sharp pros, the jersey is made from high-wicking technical fabric that incorporates coldblack® technology. Used specifically for this jersey, the fabric’s dyestuff absorbs less heat, staying cool against the skin in hot weather. Mesh side and rear panels give added breathability."
ColdBlack is made by the Swiss textile company Schoeller who are known for their innovative products like 3XDry. Their textiles are tough and have kept me dry during a number of rock/ice climbing adventures.Popular Science had this to say about the material:
"Most black clothing absorbs 90 percent of the sun’s heat, but black fabrics that have been treated with Schoeller’s Coldblack technology during the dying process actually reflect 80 percent of heat rays (nearly as much as white fabrics) while also offering UPF 30+ protection against harmful ultraviolet rays. The company keeps the technology a closely guarded secret, but the results speak for themselves: Temperature tests at independent labs found that a Coldblack-treated shirt held under infrared lamps stayed 10°F cooler on the interior and 22° cooler on the surface than a regular shirt. Expect to see Coldblack popping up soon in apparel like black Mammut Champ and Westcomb Talus mountaineering pants."
WRT being seen in the dark, I'd wear a reflective vest and a bunch of blinkies anyway. However, I don't ride in the dark.
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