Why the big ring is smoother
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Why the big ring is smoother
Interesting post about why the big ring might feel "smoother". Not sure if it's true but sounds reasonable.
https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...-smoother.html
https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...-smoother.html
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Some related stuff on Berner pulley rings. Can't believe this has been slowing me down for so long.
https://djconnel.blogspot.com/2010/08...y-upgrade.html
https://djconnel.blogspot.com/2010/08...y-upgrade.html
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When Shimano came out with the 12T cog (or maybe it was the 11T), they had one engineer working solely on optimizing the shape of the cog. Since a smaller count cog will be less round (imagine a "1T cog"), you lose roundness as the tooth count drops. Below 14 or 15T it gets pretty significant, i.e. pulley wheel size.
But between chainrings.
This is why you rarely see 10T cogs (like on the folding small wheel Moulton bikes) on regular road bikes. You could use smaller rings with the 10T, saving weight, but it's less efficient.
It's also why Shimano went to the 1 cm drive (10mm) versus the slightly longer but standard 1/2" drive. This refers to the distance between chain pins. 10mm is slightly less than the 12.2mm of the 1/2" drive, and it was enough to significantly reduce the size of the cogs without losing roundness. Shimano could make much smaller cogs, a smaller chain, and save weight overall. Since they didn't do anything with shifting (lateral loads on chain etc) this was made just for track bike use. The System 10 is still a sought after drivetrain for trackies and collectors.
But between chainrings.
This is why you rarely see 10T cogs (like on the folding small wheel Moulton bikes) on regular road bikes. You could use smaller rings with the 10T, saving weight, but it's less efficient.
It's also why Shimano went to the 1 cm drive (10mm) versus the slightly longer but standard 1/2" drive. This refers to the distance between chain pins. 10mm is slightly less than the 12.2mm of the 1/2" drive, and it was enough to significantly reduce the size of the cogs without losing roundness. Shimano could make much smaller cogs, a smaller chain, and save weight overall. Since they didn't do anything with shifting (lateral loads on chain etc) this was made just for track bike use. The System 10 is still a sought after drivetrain for trackies and collectors.
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Well if Andy Schleck used it last year it must work...he never has chain issues.....
It is sort of an interesting theory though and would be easy enough to quantify. Find a ratio that you can be in while either in the big ring or small and measure the torque required to achieve a certain wheel speed (on rollers or trainer).
It is sort of an interesting theory though and would be easy enough to quantify. Find a ratio that you can be in while either in the big ring or small and measure the torque required to achieve a certain wheel speed (on rollers or trainer).
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Interesting post about why the big ring might feel "smoother". Not sure if it's true but sounds reasonable.
https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...-smoother.html
https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...-smoother.html
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Interesting post about why the big ring might feel "smoother". Not sure if it's true but sounds reasonable.
https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...-smoother.html
https://chasingwheels.blogspot.com/20...-smoother.html
For a given cadence and power output, the chain will be moving faster in the big ring, and the tension in the chain will be less. Both would seem to increase felt smoothness.
IMO, a lack of smoothness (where you get a vibration from each link of the chain engaging) comes from a worn drivetrain, probably chain and cogs/chainrings worn to different pitches...






