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patrickgm60 07-12-11 01:28 PM


As for Kg, that's not so relevant on flat TT courses.
True. I've done a total of one TT. A guy I routinely drop on climbs (he's roughly 5'-9", 210), smoked me on the flatish TT. After the TT, we reverted to the proper pecking order..

patentcad 07-12-11 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by patrickgm60 (Post 12918023)
True. I've done a total of one TT.

You gotta start somewhere. I'm sure you're faster than me. Everybody is.

patentcad 07-12-11 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12918038)
Everybody is.

Well, OK, maybe not 98% of the 41, but still.

KiddSisko 07-12-11 01:39 PM

Got a tremendous compliment about my riding from a 23 y.o riding buddy this morning. He and his friends ride and climb like goats. On short burst climbs they smoke me like a herring. On the longer slogs I generally beat them. The very definition of progress.

That is all.

Soloist Assassin 07-12-11 01:53 PM

It's probably mostly the bike.

Velo Vol 07-12-11 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by KiddSisko (Post 12918066)
That is all.

It is? You have nothing more to contribute to this community?

patentcad 07-12-11 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 12918134)
It's probably mostly the bike.

Only if it's a Cervelo and not if it has Sram.

Soloist Assassin 07-12-11 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12918155)
Only if it's a Cervelo and not if it has Sram.

I was referring to your situation. The P3, kills the Slice, and therefor is the reason you are faster. Not any silly reasons like increased fitness.

patentcad 07-12-11 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 12918393)
I was referring to your situation. The P3, kills the Slice, and therefor is the reason you are faster. Not any silly reasons like increased fitness.

The P3 is way better than the Slice. No comparison. As it turns out I was only .5 mph faster on the P3 last week, but for a power output of 255, which is 35 watts less than 290 watts. Do the math, that's like a 12% power deficit yet I gained speed. On the other hand the faster TT time was on an 85º day, the TT from a few years ago was on a 50º day, warm air makes for faster times, so that may be part of this.

Either way, I'm too old, too fat, and too slow. But I do possess the Schwag and I do enjoy it, so the rest is total white noise.

patentcad 07-12-11 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 12918393)
I was referring to your situation. The P3, kills the Slice, and therefor is the reason you are faster. Not any silly reasons like increased fitness.

TT's are big fun. When I first rode a TT bike, my first reaction was 'how the hell does anyone ride these bikes?'. So naturally, I bought one (on eBay, a year old 2007 Six13 Slice TT bike). I effed around with my position on that bike for a couple years, finally realized that the conventional TT bike wisdom (one size smaller than your regular road bike size) wasn't working in this case. I checked the geometry of the P3, decided a 56cm P3 might work better, then bought one of those bikes used off eBay for $2600. Mint condition. That's about $2K less than a brand new P3. The new bike fits me so much better. I'm actually comfortable in the aero bars. And I really do enjoy riding and racing the TT bike now. First off, you can't get dropped. There's humiliation when you're slow of course, but that's bike racing.

WHOOOSSHHH... 07-12-11 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12918457)
TT's are big fun. When I first rode a TT bike, my first reaction was 'how the hell does anyone ride these bikes?'. So naturally, I bought one (on eBay, a year old 2007 Six13 Slice TT bike). I effed around with my position on that bike for a couple years, finally realized that the conventional TT bike wisdom (one size smaller than your regular road bike size) wasn't working in this case. I checked the geometry of the P3, decided a 56cm P3 might work better, then bought one of those bikes used off eBay for $2600. Mint condition. That's about $2K less than a brand new P3. The new bike fits me so much better. I'm actually comfortable in the aero bars. And I really do enjoy riding and racing the TT bike now. First off, you can't get dropped. There's humiliation when you're slow of course, but that's bike racing.

Di2, TT, Cervelo, swim, run...natural progression..unless you are, shall we say...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_g8EHNbgvb7...00/awesome.jpg

KiddSisko 07-12-11 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 12918151)
It is? You have nothing more to contribute to this community?

Well, I could recap this morning's ride conversations. Ahem... One of the guy's family is in the bee business, and he just finished writing a report on the widespread issue of bee colony death. Unlike my former hippie neighbor who believed it was all about cellular phones, the actual reason for so many bee colony die-outs is big agriculture practices, where large mono-crops create the perfect breeding ground for viruses for which the trucked in, genetically bred super bees have no immunity. Local hive colonies are the solution, as well as alternating the crops grown across a large area. Hard to do with tree borne fruit, but not impossible with some planning.

ILUVUK 07-12-11 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12918457)
First off, you can't get dropped.

Nope, but I'd rather get dropped from a group ride than get passed by the person who starts after me in TT.

patentcad 07-12-11 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by ILUVUK (Post 12918568)
Nope, but I'd rather get dropped from a group ride than get passed by the person who starts after me in TT.

Doesn't bother me. I get passed, but I also catch and pass people (I'm never the slowest guy there).

patentcad 07-12-11 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH... (Post 12918525)
swim, run..

I don't like swimming that much (even though I'm a good swimmer) and I can't run (bad right knee).

Your theory is fatally flawed, much like your taste in motorcycles.

WHOOOSSHHH... 07-12-11 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12918721)

Your theory is fatally flawed.

I hear that everyday....:notamused:

Soloist Assassin 07-12-11 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12918457)
TT's are big fun. When I first rode a TT bike, my first reaction was 'how the hell does anyone ride these bikes?'. So naturally, I bought one (on eBay, a year old 2007 Six13 Slice TT bike). I effed around with my position on that bike for a couple years, finally realized that the conventional TT bike wisdom (one size smaller than your regular road bike size) wasn't working in this case. I checked the geometry of the P3, decided a 56cm P3 might work better, then bought one of those bikes used off eBay for $2600. Mint condition. That's about $2K less than a brand new P3. The new bike fits me so much better. I'm actually comfortable in the aero bars. And I really do enjoy riding and racing the TT bike now. First off, you can't get dropped. There's humiliation when you're slow of course, but that's bike racing.

I did my first TT the week before I crashed, and broke my collar bone. It was great fun. I only got to catch one guy, but I never got passed. I ended up having the second fasted time of the day by one second. First however was my Cat 2 friend, and he had me by two, and a half minutes. I really liked it. There were people on full out TT bikes, but I just rode my lowly Sram equipped Cervelo road bike. My Cat 2 friend was on his Sram Equipped Felt road bike. It was fun I could get into it. It would open a whole new door of schwag to buy. :)

ILUVUK 07-12-11 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12918712)
Doesn't bother me. I get passed, but I also catch and pass people (I'm never the slowest guy there).

I can't TT anyway. If I don't have a wheel to hold, I somehow seem to lose motivation when it starts hurting...which makes me weak and soft.

patentcad 07-12-11 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 12918807)
I did my first TT the week before I crashed, and broke my collar bone. It was great fun. I only got to catch one guy, but I never got passed. I ended up having the second fasted time of the day by one second. First however was my Cat 2 friend, and he had me by two, and a half minutes. I really liked it. There were people on full out TT bikes, but I just rode my lowly Sram equipped Cervelo road bike. My Cat 2 friend was on his Sram Equipped Felt road bike. It was fun I could get into it. It would open a whole new door of schwag to buy. :)

I like riding alone, I like seeing how fast I can go, it's really just Pcad vs. Pcad. I like the TT bike speciality, learning how to ride it, etc. I like the vibe @ TT's more of a triathlon or MTB race feel, minimal Road Nazi crap, everybody is very friendly. And if you are into Bike Schwag, these TT's are like some kind of Top Secret Bike Weenie Skunkworks Convention, there's more expensive bike crap than you ever saw, disc wheels, SRM's, the latest trick TT rigs, etc. My TT bike is tame in comparison. But it does work, and the P3 does totally rock. I am continually amazed at how much better this Cervelo is than the Cannondale it replaced. Amazing.

The owner had upgraded the cockpit to Profile carbon bars (really nice) and the cool Zipp extensions. Massive improvement than the crap I had on that Cannondale. Just a great TT set up all the way around. Good enough for Uncle Pcad, that's for sure.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...pClinchers.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11.../P3Cockpit.jpg

Only 18.25 lbs with Zipp clinchers and the Power Tap. And with Zipp tubies/sans Power Tap it's only 16.5 lbs or so. Pretty light for a TT bike.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11.../P3onscale.jpg

patentcad 07-12-11 06:36 PM

I have since replaced that saddle with my old Specialized Alias 143. HUGE difference for me in comfort, that Fizik saddle was like a brick up my ass.

surgeonstone 07-12-11 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 12892926)
The Orange County Bicycle Club sounds Fredly.


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12919560)
I have since replaced that saddle with my old Specialized Alias 143. HUGE difference for me in comfort, that Fizik saddle was like a brick up my ass.

.
I have ridden both the Fizik Aliente and Arione and they both gave me that feeling. Never again.

patentcad 07-12-11 07:56 PM

The Orange County Bicycle Club is a Massive Fred Fest.

sbxx1985 07-12-11 07:59 PM

The spacers in this photo look fantastic.


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12919548)


sbxx1985 07-12-11 08:15 PM

Black tape.

Soloist Assassin 07-12-11 09:16 PM

I really want a P3 the same year as that. The color scheme was awesome that year. One of these days I'll build one, get it down to like 15lbs or so, with Red. :)

patentcad 07-13-11 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin (Post 12920257)
I really want a P3 the same year as that. The color scheme was awesome that year. One of these days I'll build one, get it down to like 15lbs or so, with Red. :)

To get that last pound and a half off a TT bike would be tough, and it's really not necessary. Trust me, 16.5 lbs on a TT bike (like a P3 with Zipp tubies) is generally about as light as they get, the cockpit adds about a pound or more over a road bike with regular drop bars.

You can buy them on eBay all day long for about half the price of a new one. Tri geeks tend to buy the bikes and hardly ride them. Even with all the miles I ride, I don't ride the TT bike more than 1000-1500 miles/year.

PrinceofParamus 07-13-11 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 12919548)
I like riding alone, I like seeing how fast I can go, it's really just Pcad vs. Pcad. I like the TT bike speciality, learning how to ride it, etc. I like the vibe @ TT's more of a triathlon or MTB race feel, minimal Road Nazi crap, everybody is very friendly. And if you are into Bike Schwag, these TT's are like some kind of Top Secret Bike Weenie Skunkworks Convention, there's more expensive bike crap than you ever saw, disc wheels, SRM's, the latest trick TT rigs, etc. My TT bike is tame in comparison. But it does work, and the P3 does totally rock. I am continually amazed at how much better this Cervelo is than the Cannondale it replaced. Amazing.

The owner had upgraded the cockpit to Profile carbon bars (really nice) and the cool Zipp extensions. Massive improvement than the crap I had on that Cannondale. Just a great TT set up all the way around. Good enough for Uncle Pcad, that's for sure.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...pClinchers.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11.../P3Cockpit.jpg

Only 18.25 lbs with Zipp clinchers and the Power Tap. And with Zipp tubies/sans Power Tap it's only 16.5 lbs or so. Pretty light for a TT bike.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11.../P3onscale.jpg


You would be faster if you had Campagnolo Super Record on that

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_atrK-jBKJK..._MAD4CAMPY.jpg

Soloist Assassin 07-13-11 10:26 AM

PCAD, were you in NYC last night? You should of been?

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...%20pic_111.jpg
http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-ch...el-cycle-photo

RT 07-13-11 10:33 AM

Love that bench.

And thank you, SA.

patentcad 07-17-11 02:10 PM

Rt. 29 TT today, first official race on the Cervelo P3 bike. I have no idea how I placed, but my 23.7 mph average speed (per the race organizer's computer) is my own personal fastest individual TT avg. speed ever. I registered as a Cat 4, and there were only 4 guys in my division (low turnout, today was the NJ State RR), so it's 50-50 whether I made a podium spot or finished DFL. Long TT (35 km), I'm used to shorter TTs than that. That last ten minutes has you looking up the long straight road for the finish line like Lawrence of Arabia looking for a desert oasis.

A TT pr is progress considering the fact I was in the hospital in early June. I'll take it.


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