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these new $10K bikes.....are we crazy???

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Old 08-05-11, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross
While I don't doubt those old warhorses are excellent-riding bikes (and phenomenal values!), have you ever ridden a modern $10,000 bike (or even a modern $3,000 bike), or is your comparision based purely on conjecture?
I have one of those old steel lugged road bikes (although mine is upgraded with a Dura Ace drivetrain and Ultegra shifters) and while I haven't compared it to a $10K bike, I have compared it to an $1800 aluminum bike and a $2500 carbon bike, and I have to say, I wasn't impressed enough to spend either amount to upgrade. I did notice some increased stiffness in the bottom bracket area, but my bike weighs 21 pounds and I wasn't interested in spending a minium of $1800 to drop about 3-4 pounds.
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Work harder/smarter and make more money. Then you can buy one too.
haha, more money is not always about harder/smarter work.
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Originally Posted by VA_Esquire
So I was excited to sit down and read my new car mag....they reviewed 2 super high end cars the New Ferrari & the New Lambo both go for close to $150K....

eh, you get the point.
Don't forget that Mr. Bean just crashed his $1 million supercar.
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Haha its crAzy fun.

A goOd friend told me "ive been cycling for more than 30 years. Im getting old, im gonna ride wha i want!" we were tAlking about his look carbOn pedals.

His a great rider, and his campagnolo super recOrd 11 must feel very good after all this years of riding ultegra.

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Originally Posted by mpath
The have-nots will continue to rag on the haves - they justify their own possessions as rational choices, the haves as frivolous. The gap will continue to widen, so goes the cycle of life.

I'm was looking at the Wilier Cento Uno, but now I'm drooling over the Zero Seven. I look at it like this: it's cheaper than a Hyundai.
Cento1 is so nice. I've been back to the LBS twice to test ride it. So close to pulling the trigger, but it's equipped with Ultegra and I would prefer Force or Red. I'll have to decide if I can live with Ultegra for now and put SRAM or Campy on later.
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yes and no
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Originally Posted by VA_Esquire
So I was excited to sit down and read my new car mag....they reviewed 2 super high end cars the New Ferrari & the New Lambo both go for close to $150K....

eh, you get the point.
I'd buy a big end lambo or ferrari for 150k...thats a steal....flip it!
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Originally Posted by pchopper
And I'll continue to fly by you on my carbon wunderbike.

going the opposite way!
Its funny because its true.

More perspective....my friend Erica has a $4000 purse. That she uses.....once in a while. An F*ing purse! And in her words...worth every penny. I was incredulous....she was unmoved.
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross
While I don't doubt those old warhorses are excellent-riding bikes (and phenomenal values!), have you ever ridden a modern $10,000 bike (or even a modern $3,000 bike), or is your comparision based purely on conjecture?
I have three road bikes, a 1989 Bottecchia with a Columbus SLX frame, a 2001 Litespeed with a Ti frame and a 2012 Bianchi Infinito with a carbon frame.

FWIW here are my impressions of the three frame materials:

The Infinito accelerates as quickly as the Columbus SLX Bottecchia and over the long haul it is as comfortable as the titanium Litespeed. At 17.12 pounds (with Look pedals) theInfinito is a little lighter than the Litespeed and a LOT lighter than the Bottecchia. Climbing, the extra light and extra stiff CF frame was a real big help. In descents, the Infinito is very confidence-inspiring; it is more stable than the very stable Litespeed.


I don't think that the OP is criticizing expensive bikes per se, I think he is just wondering whether the extra $$$ really buys a significant improvement in performance over a "lesser" bike.

IF I had the extra cash I might buy the Colnago Ferrari ($15K) model on display at my LBS (it is autographed by Ernesto himself). This way I can combine both ultra-bling names: Colnago and Ferrari.

In the meantime, here is my current stable:






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Originally Posted by Right Said Fred
Or a $175,000 Porsche, or a $300,000 Ferrari?
You can buy insurance for that in case of an accident. On a $10,000 bike, you blow a tire and wreck your ride or some a-hole runs you off the road, that's a lot of money down the tubes. Personally, I think spending that much money on a bicycle is foolish...but it's a free country.
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They're not worth it unless they are custom built with LW, AX, ENVE, THM parts. Huge waste of money just like a Harley.

Sports cars can't be compared because the performance on those things is absolutely insane compared to a cheaper option.

You can build a bike that has 110% the performance or more of a 10k bike for 5k or less. Over at weight weenies guys are building 5 kilogram bikes(11lbs, seriously) for 5k dollars. You'd have to pay 15k at your lbs for that kind of weight.

Also, even for ridiculous money bikes come with crappish wheels and tyres, which is where the biggest improvement is to be had.

For sub4k bikes there's no option in building yourself since youll likely spend more, but anything higher and NOT building yourself is silly.

IMO, if I had the money I would spend my 10k on an S5 with SR11 and Lightweight wheels instead of the crap they'll sell for the same price at the LBS.
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Agreed with TDRILL, diminishing returns is steep in bikes. It takes off, imo, right after the price of a new CAAD-10. I buy used frames and build them up now and been very happy. Good way to save thousands. GL
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Just like any other item, there are things that are good value, and ones that are just overpriced chum.
Would I buy a new $10k bike ? Probably not, even if I was independently wealthy.
But I'd probably buy a really OLD one for the same price from some collection and ride it like I stole it.
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Does anyone wonder or know how much they spend on a 10k bike building it? I think the revelation would punch you in the face.
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Baby Boomer'd...

Yeah, capitalizing in a growing population of older, monied, "I want the cushy best" consumers. That said, if you have the free time and cash to ride many, many thousands of miles a year (especially in the mountains) then the added cost is justifiable. Consider that a good, careful rider can/does maintain a high end bike for at least 5 years or so. Say that works our to $2K/yr on a $10K bike and w/ say 5-8000miles a year... Doesn't seem all that expensive for the luxury when you consider that lots of folks spend at least $1200/yr on television. I'd take the super buttery road bike, thank you very much! ;-)
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
You can buy insurance for that in case of an accident. On a $10,000 bike, you blow a tire and wreck your ride or some a-hole runs you off the road, that's a lot of money down the tubes. Personally, I think spending that much money on a bicycle is foolish...but it's a free country.
You're not going to completely trash any bike if a tire blows or someone runs you off the road. You might incur some damage and it could cost money to fix it.

Also your subtle comment about spending that much money is foolish but it's a free country is an insult to others.
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Originally Posted by spock
Does anyone wonder or know how much they spend on a 10k bike building it? I think the revelation would punch you in the face.
Does anyone know how much the R&D for these bikes are? I think that will blow their mind
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Originally Posted by spock
Does anyone wonder or know how much they spend on a 10k bike building it? I think the revelation would punch you in the face.
No different that most things we buy and use. There are lots of manufactures competiting with each other on price.
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I think I remember reading somewhere that it's not about the bike.
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Originally Posted by justkeepedaling
Does anyone know how much the R&D for these bikes are? I think that will blow their mind
I would hope so. I would be willing to bet that the actual physical price of the bike to make wouldn't be more than 1000 + components. Don't know about R&D and all the other stuff tho'.
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Bicycling is as expensive as you wanna make it. If Bicycling makes you happy and you can afford a bike like that, get it. If you save years and years to get it a really nice bike like that, ask yourself if you will be content with it and not lust for next year's model. I think personally any bike past the 3k mark is a bit overkill. But if you think that an expensive bike will motivate you to try harder, and you justify it by riding more then by all means get it. I would love a bike like that but will never get one on my own accord, that's why you gotta enter those sweepstakes!
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CC is marketing the new Wilier Zero.7 with Campy at over $10k...

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/fr...bike-9976.html

My buddy and I were talking about the prices on some of the bikes along with his wife and my wife the other day. The ladies were still shocked to see the price of a CR1SL then my buddy said he doesn't mind paying for that price since it's well equipped. Then I mentioned this new Wilier and my dream bike, the Oltre, and he said that would be a waste because it's not like I'll be able to ride it on a daily basis and for long periods of time. I looked at him and said that he's in the same boat yet he doesn't mind owning a $7k bike... My wife responded that she will not allow me to buy that much of a bike, and not even the $7k one either. I told her that it's too much bike for the budget, but what if we struck it rich? She said she will. I told her she's crazy, and even if we win the lotto, I still won't buy a bike over $10k. Then I came back and said, I'm happy at $9,999.
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Originally Posted by Right Said Fred
I think I remember reading somewhere that it's about finding the right drugs to take.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
Also your subtle comment about spending that much money is foolish but it's a free country is an insult to others.
lol, if you're that thin-skinned you deserve to be insulted!
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Originally Posted by Phantoj
lol, if you're that thin-skinned you deserve to be insulted!
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