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bostongarden 11-20-11 09:20 PM

Sometime going to a longer stem can improve fit; remember, when your hands/reach go out farther, your hips go back to compensate for balance (in essence, pushing you back in the saddle). You might want to consider that.

AEO 11-20-11 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by wkg (Post 13515661)
Yeah, ok. That must look ridiculous.

it looks fine to me.
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a.../dropMTB01.jpg

mwandaw 11-20-11 10:48 PM

I had a professional fitting. He said that my bike was the best size for me, but that my legs were longer and my torso and arms shorter than usual for my height. He recommended a 60mm stem, and I put one on my bike. It was a big improvement, and I have not had any handling problems. It looks different, and that could be a negative for some people, but since I am more comfortable, I like it.

fstshrk 11-20-11 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by thehammerdog (Post 13515056)
I think I need a new shorter stemI have a 90mm one now but still unable to ride comfortably in ths drops I could get a new shallower bar but I think a stem swap is cheaper and easier. But is there such thing as to short of a stem?

It is possible that your saddle may be too far back. I went from a 100mm stem to 90mm stem during my BG Fit session and noticed no ill effects in handling.

wants185s 11-20-11 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by wkg (Post 13515675)
I want pics too

Sorry, I am away from home and bike until the week after thanksgiving. I'll try to remember when I return. I know it is a very short stem but I haven't gotten any funny looks or comments from the people I ride with.

wkg 11-21-11 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by AEO (Post 13515849)

Wow. Ok.

I don't even know what to say.

Get a smaller frame next time.

thehammerdog 11-21-11 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Biscayne05 (Post 13515605)
Did you buy that bike brand new or used?

I'm assuming used and you thought it was too good of a deal to pass up. That thing's a beauty but too bad it's the wrong size.

Git her new from a shop going belly up got her for $1K the original stem was longer the shop switch it out and I was off.......bike is great only flaw is I have issues getting into drops...all else is great...

sced 11-21-11 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by ChucklesKY (Post 13515526)

Ha! Typical BF lack of consensus.

LesterOfPuppets 11-21-11 06:56 AM

When you consider that most modern MTBs are designed to be setup with a stem around 80mm with flats or risers, using a 60mm stem to run road bars makes sense if you wanna ride on the hoods or the drops much.

Of course they also have pretty slack head angles these days.

On the other hand a stubby stem on a road rig with a 73° HTA doesn't sound very pleasant to me.

jamesdak 11-21-11 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by wkg (Post 13515661)
Yeah, ok. That must look ridiculous.

Yeah, let's not put function over looks. That would be totally silly! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Herbie53 11-21-11 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by jamesdak (Post 13516558)
Yeah, let's not put function over looks. That would be totally silly! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Perhaps not so much in this case, but often function and looks go hand and hand. Extreme stem angles, stem lengths and or massive amounts of spacers are not only stupid looking, but also show that the bike does not fit.

Looigi 11-21-11 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 13515588)
A very short stem does affect handling, trust me on this.


It does, but not in any important or significant way.

AEO 11-21-11 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by wkg (Post 13516122)
Wow. Ok.

I don't even know what to say.

Get a smaller frame next time.

the reach on the S and M size frames does not change enough. I'll get to use a 1cm longer stem, woopty doo. :rolleyes:


It's the same in 700c bikes. Sizes under 52.5cm don't make a shred of difference, because that's the smallest frame size possible.

BarracksSi 11-21-11 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by twodownzero (Post 13515076)
I would question your frame size choice if you need to go shorter than 90.

Unless the frame's really small already and came with a 70mm stem from the factory. ;)

I'd figure looking at a different frame size if you want a stem that makes more of a difference than moving to the next frame size. Say that you're on a size 60 frame that came with a 110mm stem, but you want a 90mm stem instead; maybe a 58cm frame would be a better idea.

But, of course, there are ways around it, as this thread is showing.

Menel 11-21-11 08:53 AM

It will not impact control. It will feel different when you ride, so go easy at first, but your mind and body will quickly adapt and it will be a non issue.

I have long legs and shortish reach. 5'9, with a 54 frame, and 60 stem AND short reach ritchey bars.

Don't alter saddle position, you can introduce other issues such as knee pain, every fitter I have talked to have said I did correctly. Adjust saddle so lower body is in position properly in relation to crank and pedals. Adjust stem, bar reach positioning for upper body. Don't sacrifice lower body geometry for upper body reach.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2034/800m.png

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surgeonstone 11-21-11 09:00 AM

Have to differ with above opinions. I have an oversized old steel bike. Long legs and short arms like op. I have a look adjustable stem that actually allows me to bring the handlebars behind the post. I have tried riding all combinations and stability is decreased, negligably at first, as the bars are moved back. When in front of the post the bike is crazy unstable.

surgeonstone 11-21-11 09:05 AM

Having said that, the difference between 60 and 90 mm is minimal. The difference between 60 and the weird photo above is pretty considerable.

Nick Bain 11-21-11 09:13 AM

A shorter stem will handle faster IMO.

Herbie53 11-21-11 09:15 AM

It's geometry. A given bar movement will turn the front wheel more with a shorter stem.

How much you notice or care about this will vary.

datlas 11-21-11 09:23 AM

I think needing a stem shorter than 80 or 90 is a "red flag" for MAJOR sizing problems.

You can try to compensate for a poorly fitted frame by tweaking stem and saddle position, but these will be compromises at best.

Why do people get bikes that are not properly fitted??!??

surgeonstone 11-21-11 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 13516925)
I think needing a stem shorter than 80 or 90 is a "red flag" for MAJOR sizing problems.

You can try to compensate for a poorly fitted frame by tweaking stem and saddle position, but these will be compromises at best.

Why do people get bikes that are not properly fitted??!??

Because I was young and stupid. Even more stupid was the fact that I suffered with said mis-sized bike for 30 years. Now that's really HTFU.

tagaproject6 11-21-11 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by wants185s (Post 13515991)
Sorry, I am away from home and bike until the week after thanksgiving. I'll try to remember when I return. I know it is a very short stem but I haven't gotten any funny looks or comments from the people I ride with.

Of course they won't comment, because they know that there are actual repercussions when they try to act out their internet persona :P

Adrianinkc 11-21-11 10:37 AM

Here I am thinking my bike looks silly with a 90mm.

twodownzero 11-21-11 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Adrianinkc (Post 13517181)
Here I am thinking my bike looks silly with a 90mm.

If bikes look stupid with a 90mm, I'll never find a bike that "fits."

tagaproject6 11-21-11 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by wkg (Post 13516122)
Wow. Ok.

I don't even know what to say.

Get a smaller frame next time.

LOL! I want to see that bike posted in the "HOT or NOT" thread. :roflmao:


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