If I position my cleat directly under the ball of my foot, its in the front set of holes and pushed all the way forward, is that "normal" ?

Well the reason why nobody has answered your question is because we have no idea what shoes u have, what pedals are u talking about or how clear u have the idea of having the ball of the foot just "over" the pedal axle. U are saying "cleat directly under the ball of the foot," that is a lot different than "ball of the foot over the pedal axle."

Based on that tiny detail probably u are doing something wrong, or you have semantic problems hehehe (look who's talking hehe)

Depends how big your shoes are, I wear 43 shimanos which are a big larger which i think i should be on a 42.5, I want to set my cleat back of my ball of foot but when i set the cleats all the way back, it is some what in the middle of my ball of foot.

humm ok. they are Gueranu ( ? spelling ) I am not near them right now and I wear a size 10 not sure but I think the box said 45 ?? cant remember sorry, The pedals are clipless Shimmanos. What I did was feel the ball of my foot when standing, made a mark on the shoe and mounted the cleat centered over the mark.
When Im on the bike clipped in and on a down stroke the center of the ball is directly over the pedal spindle

A picture is worth a thousand words

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Why would you want the spindle under the ball of your foot? That "fit rule" is myth anyway.

humm well thats WHY im asking If i knew for sure I wouldnt ask. I had heard the cleat should be cented under the ball of your foot, if you do that then the ball of your foot will be righ over the pedal spindle...so if its a "myth" where should it be ?

I would go for a fit without some one looking at your riding positioning etc. It is difficult to tell you where your cleat should be

bit long winded but worth a read:
https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/...leat-position/

well during my fit he put the cleat behing the ball and when riding on my trainer my foot hurts and doesnt feel righ, everything I read says center it under the foot ball, it feels better there but I wondered what most people do

My spindle is about 10mm behind the ball. Its good for distance riding but i lose about 30 watts maxed out sprint power which I dont care too much about anyway. I get better knee stability like that and am overall more comfortable.

The link provides 3 techniques to determine the "correct" position. all give different results which leads me to use the universal rule of bike fit, which is:

"Do what is comfortable and ignore every rule of thumb you ever here"

Seriously what is the obsession with people setting knees and feet over the spindle to the mm when they rearely ride on flat ground. the moment you go up or down hill the relationship no longer applies.

i just find it weird that the cleat is all the way forward

It is weird that your cleats are all the way forward. If your shoes have two sets of holes, use the rear set, set the cleats all the way back, and give that a try. If it doesn't feel right, move them forward, but just a little bit--maybe about a centimeter. This will place your foot farther forward on the pedal.

Cleats all the way back, though, is certainly better than all the way forward.

My cleats are adjusted a couple of milli behind the metatarsals of my foot. My toes used to go numb when I had them directly beneath and moving them back seemed to fix it.

Some people have a long midfoot and short toes. Others are the opposite. Do what ever you need to get comfortable.