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bianchi10 01-29-14 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by 98koukile (Post 16451950)
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Bought brand new old stock last year with 105. Even with rs-80s, new tires, new cockpit, ultegra brakes, and accessories I'm at $2k after selling some of what I replaced. Have a Sram Red crank that would put me over but it's not on yet


Not hot to me. As mentioned, ditch the pump. The stem rise is high and looks like a shorty. I would also go black stem since the white accentuates the stack of spacers. I think its because the wheel is turned, but it gives the appearance that the bars are angled up. Saddle looks tilted way down. Take saddle bag off for picture.

Take picture a little above top tube level and it will help with the photo.

bianchi10 01-29-14 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by bigfred (Post 16452089)
People, for the love of all that is velo, quit setting yourselves up with excuses.

This is a beauty contest.

You get one shot at first impressions.

We need a sticky at the top of just about each and every page that declares:

If you want your bike to have a reasonable chance at "hot", all those things you're aware of but haven't done yet, DO THEM first. Then, take a well composed shot of the bike. The WGD is the minimum for those of us without creativity. If you're stuck inside, get creative. But, at least adhear to the few long held axioms that will help ensure you don't eliminate your bike's chances before you've even pushed the shutter button:

Drive side
Cranks at 3,6, or aligned with the ST or CS.
On the big ring and small cog
Tire labels aligned with valve stems. Because anything else is sloppy and lacky attention to detail.
Wheels/valve stems aligned to either provide readability of labelling or to hide stems behind stays and blades.
Stem angled down, if you normally ride with it flipped up.. Come on. With modern stems it's not as though you have to rewrap your bars. It's 7 allen screws and 2 minutes of your time.
Drops level or angled down only slightly.
Hoods positioned to provide a level platform from the turn, or lower on traditional bend bars or with campy levers.
Remove your saddle bag and any overtly large frame pumps. (you might get away with a small one of either, but, it must be discrete.)

Only make an attempt at 'artsy' photographs if you can actually pull it off.



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bahula03 01-29-14 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by lsberrios1 (Post 16452002)
:lol: My bike is like those comedians that are funny because they are loud.. my bike is hot because it's so loud! Ok that makes sense. $2,000 bucks is still $$$ for a "budget build"! But agreed, lot of great bikes for $2k :)

Looking at the "unlimited" hot r not thread, I sometimes feel like my bike belongs in some sort of budget thread :twitchy: Some of those bikes are just bonkers.

lsberrios1 01-29-14 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by bahula03 (Post 16452222)
Looking at the "unlimited" hot r not thread, I sometimes feel like my bike belongs in some sort of budget thread :twitchy: Some of those bikes are just bonkers.

lol, reality is that your wheels alone would not make it in this thread! However, I feel like we need to make a "Hot or Not - Dream bike edition" which issues bikes of $10,000+... Any votes?

bigfred 01-29-14 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by lsberrios1 (Post 16452002)
:lol: My bike is like those comedians that are funny because they are loud.. my bike is hot because it's so loud! Ok that makes sense. $2,000 bucks is still $$$ for a "budget build"! But agreed, lot of great bikes for $2k :)


Originally Posted by bahula03 (Post 16452222)
Looking at the "unlimited" hot r not thread, I sometimes feel like my bike belongs in some sort of budget thread :twitchy: Some of those bikes are just bonkers.

I agree that $2000 is a fair bit of dosh. But, don't underestimate the value of a truly "Hot" bike. There have been a few bikes that have truly been "hot" regardless of which thread they were posted in and which have been built for sub 2k. And, there have been a number of Halo examples that recieved universal "more money than taste" condemnations.

A well considered and sorted bike does not need to cost a future. And, spending $10,000+ in no way ensures one of having a "hot" ride.

Luis, has anyone started a betting pool yet on when the TCR will drop it's chain for the first time?

lsberrios1 01-29-14 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by bigfred (Post 16452275)

A well considered and sorted bike does not need to cost a future. And, spending $10,000+ in no way ensures one of having a "hot" ride.

Luis, has anyone started a betting pool yet on when the TCR will drop it's chain for the first time?

:rolleyes: Now you got me antsy again after I forgot all about that... the bike is still in the shop. I would get a K edge chain catcher but eehhhh.... 30 grams... ehhh :D

About the $10k budget ensuring hotness, of course not! That is what the NOT in "hot or not" thread is for. I'd like to see hideous samples of $10k bikes!.. (for my taste of course).

98koukile 01-30-14 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by bianchi10 (Post 16452157)
Not hot to me. As mentioned, ditch the pump. The stem rise is high and looks like a shorty. I would also go black stem since the white accentuates the stack of spacers. I think its because the wheel is turned, but it gives the appearance that the bars are angled up. Saddle looks tilted way down. Take saddle bag off for picture.

Take picture a little above top tube level and it will help with the photo.

The white stem is just a freebie to test reach because the 120mm had me stretched a little far, I'm looking for a black zero or 6* 100mm stem currently, although what you can't tell is that I have white bars. The seat was literally just bolted on before the pic so I could hang the bike back up. I will not fail on my next attempt! haha

Ramona_W 01-30-14 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Nine Miler (Post 15776753)
Ok, I'll try mine here. Approx. $400 all together after replacement of saddle, pedals, tape, cables.

I've heard it looks like the McDonald's team bike, that's fair. Dollar menu hot? Or not?

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/a...ley/null-7.jpg

I don't covet very many bikes but I do this one. What year is it?

save10 01-30-14 01:33 PM

This trek (nine miler's) that ramona_w quotes...might be one of the nicest bikes I've seen. its just looks nice...like a beautiful woman. Its almost as nice as that rebuilt Bianchi from the regular hot or not which is currently my #1 (you know which one i'm talking about). keep in mind both of these bikes are neither new nor super expensive

Conversely this Cannondale might be one of the ugliest bikes i've seen in awhile. it looks like the bike i rented in maui....the one that gave me a strained neck that took 2 months to resolve

iamtim 01-30-14 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by 390T (Post 16290640)

Nice bike, but for a Hot or Not thread - even a budget one - it's in the wrong gear, the stem needs to be flipped, and the toe clips have got to go. Also, if you don't have a matching bottle cage, take the one off for the pic.

On a personal note, a black seat post would look SO much better.

iamtim 01-30-14 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by TMonk (Post 16290453)

Ooh, nice, I like. Personally I would have cleaned up the lever hoods and seat before I took the shot, but that's just me.

Nine Miler 01-30-14 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Ramona_W (Post 16453771)
I don't covet very many bikes but I do this one. What year is it?

I don't remember right off hand actually. I think I figured it to be an 87. But something is saying 89. Either way, it is late 80s.

Nine Miler 01-30-14 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by save10 (Post 16453889)
This trek (nine miler's) that ramona_w quotes...might be one of the nicest bikes I've seen. its just looks nice...like a beautiful woman. Its almost as nice as that rebuilt Bianchi from the regular hot or not which is currently my #1 (you know which one i'm talking about). keep in mind both of these bikes are neither new nor super expensive

Conversely this Cannondale might be one of the ugliest bikes i've seen in awhile. it looks like the bike i rented in maui....the one that gave me a strained neck that took 2 months to resolve

Thank you for the kind words.

390T 01-30-14 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by iamtim (Post 16453895)
Nice bike, but for a Hot or Not thread - even a budget one - it's in the wrong gear, the stem needs to be flipped, and the toe clips have got to go. Also, if you don't have a matching bottle cage, take the one off for the pic.

On a personal note, a black seat post would look SO much better.

Yeah mate I know a black seatpost would look better, but how do you mean the bottle cage doesn't match? The bike is black and so is the bottle cage.
The toe clips don't bother me, and what's wrong with the stem? I wasn't aware I had put it on incorrectly.

Homebrew01 01-30-14 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by 390T (Post 16453947)
Yeah mate I know a black seatpost would look better, but how do you mean the bottle cage doesn't match? The bike is black and so is the bottle cage.
The toe clips don't bother me, and what's wrong with the stem? I wasn't aware I had put it on incorrectly.

All those spacers, combined with the stem pointing up is "wrong".. Looks like a grandpa setup.

390T 01-30-14 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Homebrew01 (Post 16453974)
All those spacers, combined with the stem pointing up is "wrong".. Looks like a grandpa setup.

Oh right I wasn't aware of that. Fairly sure I've seen other bikes on here with the stem pointing up though.

SpeshulEd 01-30-14 02:08 PM

And thats fine, but this is a hot or not thread, fit doesn't matter, aesthetics do. That's just the way it is.

There are rules:
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/

gsa103 01-30-14 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by lsberrios1 (Post 16452002)
:lol: My bike is like those comedians that are funny because they are loud.. my bike is hot because it's so loud! Ok that makes sense. $2,000 bucks is still $$$ for a "budget build"! But agreed, lot of great bikes for $2k :)

Its a fair amount but its challenging to build a really hot bike for much under $2k.

A $2000 allows someone to buy a lower end new bike, and then spend a few hundred customizing it to achieve the required "hot".

Setting a limit much lower than $2000, quickly turns into A) "Here's my stock bike." or B) "Look at how I purchased a $2000 bike for $500, then spent $1000 on wheels."

iamtim 01-30-14 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by 390T (Post 16453947)
but how do you mean the bottle cage doesn't match?

You only have one. For a hot-or-not thread, you should have two, or none. And if you have none, make sure the bolts are there and that they're shiny.


Originally Posted by 390T (Post 16453947)
The toe clips don't bother me

They don't *bother* me either. But as I found out, you submitted your bike to a hot-or-not thread, not a show-us-your-bike-thread. And in a hot-or-not thread, it's not about what you like but what is aesthetically "hot". Toe-clips are decidedly not aesthetically "hot".


Originally Posted by 390T (Post 16453947)
what's wrong with the stem? I wasn't aware I had put it on incorrectly.

It's not on incorrectly, it's just not on "hot". See my above point about the hot-or-not thread.

It's nothing personal, you have a nice bike. I would own your bike. But as it sits, it's not hot-or-not thread hot. But don't worry, I found out mine wasn't either. So it's all good. :)

Nine Miler 01-30-14 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by gsa103 (Post 16454023)
Its a fair amount but its challenging to build a really hot bike for much under $2k.

A $2000 allows someone to buy a lower end new bike, and then spend a few hundred customizing it to achieve the required "hot".

Setting a limit much lower than $2000, quickly turns into A) "Here's my stock bike." or B) "Look at how I purchased a $2000 bike for $500, then spent $1000 on wheels."

A bike doesn't have to be new to be hot. See above. I am $400 all in, and I think the seat and the bar tape were close to $200. :P

iamtim 01-30-14 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by SpeshulEd (Post 16454019)

Holy hell, I didn't know the rules were documented. That's rad. :)

Ramona_W 01-30-14 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Nine Miler (Post 16453907)
I don't remember right off hand actually. I think I figured it to be an 87. But something is saying 89. Either way, it is late 80s.

*Sigh* It looks like it might be an '87 or even an '85. In any case, I'd never be able to ride it because the smallest frame they made was 48cm and I'm too small to handle anything bigger than about 42. She truly is beautiful though. Enjoy!

Nine Miler 01-30-14 02:38 PM

Thank you ^^^

Its a shame, I have a 49cm 1983 600 in Reynolds 531. Found that one sitting out with the trash on the way home one day. It was missing a seat, and pedals. I cleaned that one up too, and its really pretty, like almost perfect, but too small for me. Its not as racy as this one, more of a touring frame. It has 27 x 1 1/8 tires, and the geometry is way more slack. I am looking for someone that is interested, and I may have found one. It might get me a new riding buddy, too.

bigfred 01-30-14 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by lsberrios1 (Post 16452284)
:rolleyes: Now you got me antsy again after I forgot all about that... the bike is still in the shop. I would get a K edge chain catcher but eehhhh.... 30 grams... ehhh :D

About the $10k budget ensuring hotness, of course not! That is what the NOT in "hot or not" thread is for. I'd like to see hideous samples of $10k bikes!.. (for my taste of course).

So, what's the current solution with the Roubaix? New left shifter, derailleurs, rings and chain?

bigfred 01-30-14 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by nevertrustafart (Post 16451440)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=362034http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=362035

this is my budget build. paid $1749 for the bike, added zipp aero bars $68, kenda karvs green $40, green bar tape $14, and black and white camo tape $16 all in all once done $1887:)

I'm revisiting this one.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=362035

Take the before bike:

Loose the tail lamp.
Flip the stem and place a 5mm spacer on top, even with the remainder of the stack.
Level the aerobars.
Reposition the levers.
And rewrap with just about any solid colored tape (even the babypuke green).

And it would be as close to getting a Hot as possible without slamming the stem, cutting the steerer and adding wheels.

(Hmmm, why does the attachment display as a photo in preview and editing, but, not in the post?)


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