revchuck 

shokhead

500g lighter wheelset then yes on a 30, 40+ ride then you might feel freasher at the end, maybe but not at 100 or 200 grams, not likly. I'd rather have a 1600g wheelset that is trouble free then worry about a broken spoke or cracked rim on a 1400g wheelset but that's just me. I don't race or pretend to, I just ride. I guess it also depends where you start. 1700g down to 1500g, I don't see around 7 ounces doing much. Now you have a 2100g wheelset and get some nice 1550g elites as an example then that's about a pound so hell yes, anybody will feel that.

hhnngg1

Your argument makes no sense.

If the wheels are saving noticeable energy, you should be able to ride faster and farther with the wheels. If you agree that the speed increase for a non-deep dish wheel is negligible, then the energy savings should be negligible. It's not like the wheel hubs are sucking out all that extra energy.

I also don't dispute the real time savings of 0.1-0.5mph of deep dish, which for even a good amateur, is totally worth it. But this is for a deep-dish wheel, not a regular wheel as the OP. Also, even with those deep dish wheels, the notion that 0.1-0.5mph feels dramatically different is not that convincing unless it's a placebo effect.

2ndGen

Exactly.

I went from 2100g to 1550g.
I definitely felt it.

Juan Foote

It constantly amazes at the subject matter upon which most arguments here are based. Haven't y'all got something better to be doing?
To those that do understand the reality of dropping from a flexy 2200+ gram wheelset to a stiff 1700 gram set, and "feel me", thx. To the rest of you, go troll somewhere.

pelotonracer

lol Aksiums are an upgrade?

2ndGen

You got it Jobin!

Juan Foote

Sure, they are the cheapest of the "decent" pre-built options from Mavic, but consider what I came off of...a set of CXP22. Yes, it was an upgrade, if only a small one. Thing is this..I could have spent twice as much money at my cost for a set of elites, and saved less than 200 more grams. I could have spent about a hundred more for some Equipes and saved about 50=ish grams. Given that they were just this side of brand new, they came off of a Tarmac that the owner upgraded to carbon wheels right away, and what I paid for them, including a nice new set of tires, it was a nice upgrade for me.

I have argued in the past a great deal about the negligible effect of the loss of one pound. When I watch sporting events where professional riders are throwing down water bottles before the last climb, and (as someone mentioned in this thread) winning by portions of seconds, it makes you re-think what would appear to be "common" sense. After experiencing first hand what taking just that single pound away from the rim weight, I am a convert. It was something I could "touch and feel" and really did notice a discernible difference between these and the previous wheels.

I have found over the last few weeks working in a bike shop that a whole lot of what gets taken as gospel around here is a bunch of people passing along disinformation and generally misinformed. I have been one of them.

Juan Foote

Lol, is that to say I am masturbating myself?

Debusama

I went from the Xero XSR-3 wheels (https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=23418) that came stock on my TCR to Williams system 30 (about a pound lighter, 30 mm deep V rim, hybrid ceramic bearings bladed spokes, blah blah blah) Riding one right after the other, both with 23mm gator skins, the only difference I felt like I might have noticed was that the Williams may have ridden a little more harshly on chip seal roads than the box-sectioned Xero wheels. Now, I have a new bike all together which came with pretty nice, light box-sectioned wheels.

I don’t think the Williams wheels were a bad investment because I’ll still use them for crits and TTs just in case I ever lose a race by inches, I won’t be wondering if the small difference in stiffness and aerodynamics that I don't notice might have changed the result of the race. It’s also nice in stage races to have two decent sets of wheels on which to put a different tire and/or different cassette size for different races so I don’t have to take things apart and risk inducing mechanical problems between stages.

2ndGen

Not my intent, but hey! If the glove fits at your station!

Nahhhhh. I just love it when I get something good at a reasonable price too.
I've recently come to accept that I don't need anything more than my Ksyrium Elites.
I've recently come to accept that my Fizik Cyrano is as good as I've always believed it to be.
I've recently come to accept that 15.87lbs is damn good for an aluminum bike and that I don't have to go lower.
I feel lucky to be 100% content with what I roll. I'm getting that Upgrade Monkey off my back and it feels good.

Like I said, enjoy your hoops bro.

shokhead

disinformation and generally misinformed
No way, on this forum. LOL

pelotonracer

Wheels pretty much dont make a difference unless you get 1200g, 50mm tubulars. Even then they are barely noticeable.

adriano 

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Debusama

... but when I do, I prefer to do it to myself.

DrPete 

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...today+it+sucks

DrPete 

Sounds like your old wheels needed some spokes tightened and maybe some fresh bearings. I don't think you're going to see much change speed-wise, but if you like them and it makes you want to ride more, it's all good. Enjoy them.

X-LinkedRider

Shok. That is exactly what we are talking about. Going from 2200 grams to about 1600-1700. It is totally noticeable. People comparing 1400 to 1500 gram wheels are not paying attention at all. We are not talking about a sticker upgrade, or the oppisite end which is going from steel bricks to Aero zipps either. Just your standard stock 2200 gram wheel set and moving into an entry level HAND BUILT wheel typically on the high end of 1700 grams.

X-LinkedRider

FIFY.. Lol, im just messing around 2nd. But I couldn't resist. I am jealous of how fast your post count accumulates compared to mine. And yes 15.87 really only leaves with you .87 lbs of UCI legal wiggle room anyways.

Commodus

Good wheels are good....but I'm having a hard time believing a set of Aksiums are noticeably better than a CXP33 wheelset.

2ndGen

Yeah. Actually, if I go any lower significantly, I'll lose durability.
That'll defeat the purpose of the build so it's going to stay where it is.
A set of 58mm shoes and that'll be that.

X-LinkedRider

Just out of curiosity, what would be the point of Mavic wasting time and effort creating a wheel that is not any better than one half the price? Basically, every company should just have 2 wheel sets essentially? Good and Bad? I notice the change going backwards more than anything. A new set of wheels doesn't give me quite as much of a difference of a feel as stepping back into a crappier set of wheels does. when I ride stock wheels now, it is extremely noticeable because I am used to much better. If you can notice the difference in reverse, it is there in drive as well. Maybe just not as extreme.

X-LinkedRider

Souls or what? You seem to push the most. 58's get heavier though, no? I think 38's is what I want to settle on.

2ndGen

The 58's wouldn't be to weenieize it anymore. They'd be for show.
If I wanted to ww it, then a set of Souls which have a 210lb limit.
That, plus some tuning & a Zipp or 3T bar...BOOM! 14lbs!
But if I did that, I'd do it all in one fell swoop.

I need to join the rest of civilization and get a plastic bike next.

2ndGen

I'd say OEM's like the CXP22's are temp wheels even though I've heard good things about them.
The Aksiums are a step above and durable and keepable for the rec rider. Ksryium Elites?
Mid-range/Best bang for the buck. Anything above that is pure top of the line bling.

I have to agree though that a durable set of 1700g wheels is always better than a cheap 2100g set.
And the cost is (IMO) way reasonable for what one gets. While the weight is just barely 200g from
my set and probably not so noticeable, the stiffness (KE's) I'd argue definitely would be plus I know
I have a bulletproof set with a little bling. For me it's worth the $600 I paid for the KE's.