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Old 07-10-12 | 11:27 AM
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The example I gave shows why time is a much better metric for volume.
Not really. If you tell me you rode 17 hrs in a week that says nothing about how hard you rode or what the stress on your system would be. That could be a weeks worth of Z1/2 easy base training or, as in your case, a higher percentage of Z3/4 efforts.

Given the variabilities of group versus solo, flat versus climbing, wind speed and direction, the same amount of time, even for a given effort, will produce wide swings in mileage.
Have a look at your annual training stats. I suspect your avg speed doesn't vary much from year to year.

Thus time is a more workable measure, and the reason training plans are almost always done on time rather than mileage.
They are never written based on time only. Like I said, without intensity, time is equally useless as a measure of training stress.
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Old 07-10-12 | 11:36 AM
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I count miles on the road, and the burn in my legs over time for the trainer.

Miles are both irrelevant and irreverent in cycling. The correct measure is kilometers.
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Old 07-10-12 | 11:55 AM
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The spin bikes at my gym keep track of miles. I have about 6000 in 3 years which they count as 1.6 Tour de France. But no I don't count them as riding.
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Old 07-10-12 | 11:58 AM
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Anyone who thinks trainer miles don't count hasn't done very many of them.
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Old 07-10-12 | 12:00 PM
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Miles are both irrelevant and irreverent in cycling. The correct measure is kilometers.
I don't play by the "Rules" so no.
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Old 07-10-12 | 12:29 PM
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I do some pretty serious trainer work on weekdays - am building for my first half ironman triathlon, which requires a fair amount of biking on the plan I"m on.

I've been using bike trainer distance. Some say that the only metric is "time spent in HR zone" but I'm finding that since the bulk of my training is aerobic longer-distance style riding since there's no drafting in triathlon, tracking distance is best for me. If I just go by time, I can be off by as much as 1.5 miles by the end of a 25 mile trainer ride depending on subjective effort. By tracking the distance, it's a pretty honest effort.

I will soon however be entering my 'speed' phase of training where I do dedicated speedwork interval workouts. On those workouts, the metric for me changes completely to my speed/HR during the interval, and not the overall average or total, since the hard effort is what counts, not the rest.

I agree with Merlin's view on the miles ridden not mattering for outdoor rides of varying terrain (I go from 20+ on flats to 14 on super hilly routes for same effort), but on a trainer where everything's stable, more miles = more total work. Doesn't mean the intensity is the same of course (intervals duh) but for total work performed on a trainer, more miles = more work done. Even if the work is done at an overall easier power rate.
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Old 07-10-12 | 04:42 PM
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I even count the miles when the bike is on my car rack. Over 10,000 miles this year!
Lol. Why not include the earth's rotational speed also?
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Old 07-10-12 | 05:24 PM
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Miles on the trainer count, but you have to measure them with a string and a ruler, not with a computer. (It'll come to zero.)
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Old 07-10-12 | 06:25 PM
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I probably only get to about 30km in a trainer session. The intensity is what I measure on a trainer.
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Old 07-10-12 | 06:49 PM
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Not really. If you tell me you rode 17 hrs in a week that says nothing about how hard you rode or what the stress on your system would be. That could be a weeks worth of Z1/2 easy base training or, as in your case, a higher percentage of Z3/4 efforts.

Have a look at your annual training stats. I suspect your avg speed doesn't vary much from year to year.

They are never written based on time only. Like I said, without intensity, time is equally useless as a measure of training stress.
My average speed (total annual miles divided by total annual time) is down about .4mph from last year. Why? A lot more riding January through March.
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Old 07-10-12 | 07:03 PM
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I probably only get to about 30km in a trainer session. The intensity is what I measure on a trainer.
Then HTFU if you need to. Folks routinely do ironman training 5-6 hour training rides on an indoor trainer. (Surprisingly commonplace - hang out on the tri forums and see all the Midwest folks snowed in all winter but prepping for a March-Apr Ironman.)

Of course, if you reserve your long stuff for outdoors and intensity for trainer, it's all good.
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Old 07-11-12 | 05:57 AM
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If your purpose of riding is to race then aren't all non-racing miles "trainer miles" and shouldn't you only count the actual miles racing? Starts to sound ridiculous to me. Count what you want, the reason you count is to compare one season to another. If our winter is exceptionally long or summer is really rainy, I'll put on more miles indoors. If I don't count them then I'll feel like I dogged it that year.
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Old 07-11-12 | 07:02 AM
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If your purpose of riding is to race then aren't all non-racing miles "trainer miles" and shouldn't you only count the actual miles racing? Starts to sound ridiculous to me. Count what you want, the reason you count is to compare one season to another. If our winter is exceptionally long or summer is really rainy, I'll put on more miles indoors. If I don't count them then I'll feel like I dogged it that year.
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Old 07-11-12 | 07:14 AM
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Lol. Why not include the earth's rotational speed also?
I factor that into my average speed.
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