Is this the End of Pcad?
08-10-12 | 05:17 AM
#76
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I'm on pain meds now for a few days, a few days off the bike and it stops hurting, I'm lined up for physical therapy with a therapist who has treated this often enough, I may also take some private yoga classes to learn how to stretch my hamstrings and pelvis more effectively. I'll be walking the dog daily for exercise, I'll probably start doing some ab work too. I haven't been off the bike for more than 10 days, I would imagine 60 days off might really help in conjunction with the PT. I'll also research different saddles.
This condition is not unusual, and it's very poorly understood. P.T. involves various treatment modalities, some of which are TMI (trust me). But whatever works. I can feel the pain radiating from my left sacroiliac joint, which has been sore since 2000, down through my prostate area and then down through my left leg. Whether or not that pain chain is really linked in any meaningful way is anyone's guess I suppose, my guess is that it's not, because up until now the S.I. joint pain wasn't connected to any pain in the pelvic floor area.
It's possible that enough relief of that region may give it time to heal, the stretching releases any tension, etc. I can tell you that after a week or so off the bike it feels normal, then I get back on the bike and it relapses. Hell, for all I know, 20 days off the bike is all it needs. But I'll give it a full 8 weeks or so and then re-assess with the physical therapist. The fact that simply laying off the bike for a short stretch alleviates all the symptoms strikes me as a hopeful sign, i.e., it's not so badly injured that even doing that doesn't help.
This condition is not unusual, and it's very poorly understood. P.T. involves various treatment modalities, some of which are TMI (trust me). But whatever works. I can feel the pain radiating from my left sacroiliac joint, which has been sore since 2000, down through my prostate area and then down through my left leg. Whether or not that pain chain is really linked in any meaningful way is anyone's guess I suppose, my guess is that it's not, because up until now the S.I. joint pain wasn't connected to any pain in the pelvic floor area.
It's possible that enough relief of that region may give it time to heal, the stretching releases any tension, etc. I can tell you that after a week or so off the bike it feels normal, then I get back on the bike and it relapses. Hell, for all I know, 20 days off the bike is all it needs. But I'll give it a full 8 weeks or so and then re-assess with the physical therapist. The fact that simply laying off the bike for a short stretch alleviates all the symptoms strikes me as a hopeful sign, i.e., it's not so badly injured that even doing that doesn't help.
08-10-12 | 05:19 AM
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Fascinating. Somebody on FB mentioned the elliptical trainer, and I had forgotten all about those. I can't jog due to my bad right knee (not enough healthy cartilage, arthritis) but I can do an elliptical and I kind of like those, they have them @ the local gym. So that will save me 45 mins on the elliptical, ab work and stretching on a daily basis.
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08-10-12 | 05:20 AM
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Private yoga can be really good, but is costly. At least in my town we have some great yoga classes run by the public school continuing education program. Teacher is fully certified, 20 years experience, very able to watch out for everyone's limitations and issues. You don't go straight into the hard stuff - it's REALLY hard.
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08-10-12 | 05:23 AM
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I call dibs on the S2.
Oh, come on, we're all thinking it.
FWIW, I finished my last physio session for my shoulder yesterday, and I'm pretty much fixed. Physio works. There's a lot of cut 'n' try, but it did work.
DG
Oh, come on, we're all thinking it.
FWIW, I finished my last physio session for my shoulder yesterday, and I'm pretty much fixed. Physio works. There's a lot of cut 'n' try, but it did work.
DG
08-10-12 | 05:25 AM
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Haven't read the entire thread, so maybe this has already been posted.
There are five stages of becoming a bender: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.
When I decided to get bent it was humiliating. I traded a very nice full carbon bike with Ultegra for a bike with crappy twist shifters and mountain bike wheels.
I entered into a zen-like state of detachment and self denial. I became one with the world as I flew by tandems downhill and learned that you can climb OK if you free yourself from the worries of the world.
And for some reason, chicks dig recumbents. Go figure.
There are five stages of becoming a bender: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.
When I decided to get bent it was humiliating. I traded a very nice full carbon bike with Ultegra for a bike with crappy twist shifters and mountain bike wheels.
I entered into a zen-like state of detachment and self denial. I became one with the world as I flew by tandems downhill and learned that you can climb OK if you free yourself from the worries of the world.
And for some reason, chicks dig recumbents. Go figure.
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08-10-12 | 06:03 AM
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I've experienced that myself -- I'm certain women give mine a lot more positive attention and refer to it as "cool" far more often than they do for road bikes worth much more.
We need a woman to comment on why this might be the case. My operating theory is that they know that real hombres ride whatever the hell they want.
BTW, twist shifters suck. Most 'bents that use them would be better served with bar ends. Beats me why they don't do Di2 for 9 speed -- this would be an even bigger benefit than it is on road bikes because of the cable lengths and you'd think it would only require a software change.
We need a woman to comment on why this might be the case. My operating theory is that they know that real hombres ride whatever the hell they want.
BTW, twist shifters suck. Most 'bents that use them would be better served with bar ends. Beats me why they don't do Di2 for 9 speed -- this would be an even bigger benefit than it is on road bikes because of the cable lengths and you'd think it would only require a software change.
08-10-12 | 07:26 AM
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08-10-12 | 07:48 AM
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Seriously though, I hope you get this figured out and back on the bike. And I see no shame in temporarily riding a recumbent to keep your fitness up. That's probably what I'd do.
08-10-12 | 08:55 AM
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08-10-12 | 09:14 AM
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From: Acton, MA (20 miles west of Boston) - GORGEOUS cycling territory!
Bikes: 2007 Specialized Roubaix Elite Triple - 1st ride = century 9/19/2010 , Ultegra
Good luck. Time passes. A friend I hadn't seen in a while asked me "how I was doing" yesterday - it took me a bit to realize he was asking about prostate surgery and then a bit more to remember the surgery details.
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08-10-12 | 09:29 AM
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Sorry to hear about your medical issues. Say, here's a thought: You're a freelance guy with a home office. I'm a freelance guy with a home office. We sit a lot during the day, then sit a lot on our bikes.
Are we sitting too much? What if the 8-10 hours (or more) you sit at a desk could be replaced with not sitting?
I'm seriously considering some sort of treadmill desk, because my backside gets sore all the time, and biking doesn't help.
Shrug.
Are we sitting too much? What if the 8-10 hours (or more) you sit at a desk could be replaced with not sitting?
I'm seriously considering some sort of treadmill desk, because my backside gets sore all the time, and biking doesn't help.
Shrug.
08-10-12 | 09:49 AM
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Face it, you already have plenty of Fredly habits and traits. You even have the graying beard and aerobelly so you call pull off the look much better than I can. Denial is the most primitive defense...
08-10-12 | 09:51 AM
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08-10-12 | 10:17 AM
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You may end up doing just that without cycling. You may want to check in with the bent community to learn why some are there. It may not be your syndrome per se but many are there for a reason. We all do what we have to do. I don't see anything wrong with riding a bent personally.
I wonder if there is another way you can ride and change your load path to your bum and not induce pain?...change the set up on your bike...raise handlebars...lower saddle...change saddle etc.
Good luck to you...and all of us really as health is what we all seek through cycling.
I wonder if there is another way you can ride and change your load path to your bum and not induce pain?...change the set up on your bike...raise handlebars...lower saddle...change saddle etc.
Good luck to you...and all of us really as health is what we all seek through cycling.
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08-10-12 | 10:38 AM
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08-10-12 | 10:50 AM
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Take a whole year off the bike. It takes old guys longer to heal. If you don't allow time to heal completely it will just come right back. Work on core and legs (abductors and adductors) leg presses and leg curls. Work on diet and lose some weight. Yoga and massage would help. Get a young girl friend or get your wife to help with prostrate therapy. Rest and recover and maybe you will come back stronger.