So I think it's time for a mirror. I know I don't want a helmet attachment but haven't see one yet I like.I don't want the big round bar mirror and I don't think the one stuck in the bar end will see much soooo what do you use ?

so I thought I didn't need to say serious replies only but I guess I'll say serious replies only

So to paraphrase...

You want a mirror, but none of the three styles that are prevalent.

You will probably have to compromise.

I use the Italian Road Bike Mirror.

I don't use one, but I had a bar end mirror at one time and it worked well enough. After a while you'll be able to turn your head or look under your arm without losing your line.

Yeah.. you can say that all you want, but....

This is Bike Forums, and we are 41.

maybe something like this, only not so large looking:

https://www.adventurecycling.org/stor...end-mirror.cfm

I have a helmet mirror and I don't get the negative image. I have see what is behind me and my head hurts to turn all around. I find a helmet mirror to be more important than wheelsets, CF, component levels, and hydration. Not everyone agrees. Get a helmet mirror.

Just put a mirror on the back of the person you're following? Mabye

My buddy uses this on some of our rides, if I was to consider a mirror, this would be the one I would buy.

+1.
Shoulder check is the best way to know whats going on behind you.

Any mirror is good as long as it is the same finish as your kickstand.

I wouldn't put a mirror in the same league as a kick stand. I use a mirror on my sun glasses and it gets used when I need to cross three lanes of traffic to get to the left turn lane.

Bar end on my road bike and this on my tourers. Can't do without a mirror

Great mirror. It's unobtrusive and doesn't move when you hit potholes.

Mounts on my sunglasses, quick scan gives me the road behind, small surface doesn't effect the road ahead. Essential accessory.