i agree that rubbish should be disposed of properly. however, fruits and vegetables do not last long in nature. i have a natural grapevine that has steadily been growing for years. nobody waters it directly, and nobody living in the area planted it. but it grows, and every year maybe a few handfuls of grapes are taken from it. the rest rot. they do not stay around long.

same thing for the apricots that fall on the ground. same for the plums, same for the apples, the pears, the oranges, etc. it rots away naturally.

here is some banana love (not from the posted link, which cited "keepbritaintidy.com")

"Farmers who seek to improve vegetable production can utilise banana residues as nutrient inputs only in combination with effective weeding; although the nutrients applied through banana mulch may not be utilised effectively compared to chemical fertilisers. "
-https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/h...6/cs01069.html

74 days in a bowl (aka not in nature)

elephant in 7 days

(warning - graphic decomposition content)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6ArFGaCCwE



if mind=blown, then job = done

The only things I leave behind are sweat and blood

i let the earth and its scavengers dispose of the bodies of my enemies.

I have always lived in the country, now in some of the most beautiful in the world. Country people throw fruits and veggie scraps outside. Just the way it is. All of my fruit trees leave their fruit on the ground but I don't hate them for it...

well played sir.. well played.

Christ, what the hell is so hard about carrying back and properly disposing of the remnant of what you brought out to eat or consume. Just do it people, it is not that hard.

What race were you watching again?

I haven't seen one where you didn't see them throwing gels, coke cans, and bottles EVERYWHERE.

Here is how I always see pros eating gels.

Get gel > bite off top > spit top on ground (probably never to be retrieved) > gulp down gel > throw remaining wrapper on ground > hopefully retrieved later on.

Biodegradable gel packaging. Patent pending!

I typically just eat the gel packs without opening them.

ARRRR!




Throwing degradeable things in the forrest helps nature, doesn't ruin it. Do indians use garbage cans?

i dont generally bring apples and bananas or things that have inedible portions to them on my rides, my gel packets obviously go straight in the back of my jersey once done, but for those that do bring bananas oranges apples and the sort, you're actually doing the environment more harm by throwing that stuff away in a trash bin. By throwing stuff in a plastic bag that gets closed up prevents decomposition and takes up more space in a land fill. By throwing your decomposable stuff in plastic bags youre effectively taking nutrients out of the natural cycle and harming the earth more. Technically paper is decomposable but dont just throw that stuff on the ground, shred it and send it to a recycling facility, obviously dont throw out or litter with plastics or glass, recycle that stuff. if by "properly dispose of" you meant compost your peals, then yes... but its the same thing when thrown in the woods... just dont throw it in an obvious place... burry it in a moist area whenever possible.

https://www.ehow.com/facts_5598606_lo...ecompose_.html

So here's the challenge ... look up your local littering law and see what it says.

Then post it here so we all know.

Victoria, Australia ...

https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/en/get-involved/report-litter
https://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...ct/epa1970284/ (Section 45)

And according to this document ...
https://epa.tas.gov.au/Documents/Litt...ions_Paper.pdf

In Victorian statutes, litter is defined as “any solid or liquid domestic or commercial waste, refuse, debris or rubbish and, without limiting the generality of the above, includes any waste glass, metal, plastic, paper, fabric, wood, food, soil, sand, concrete or rocks, abandoned vehicles, abandoned vehicle parts and garden remnants and clippings, but does not include any gases, dust or smoke or any waste that is produced or emitted during, or as a result of, any of the normal operations of the mining, building or manufacturing industry or of any primary industry”. Of note is that food, garden waste, soil and rocks are included as litter, as they have the potential to cause a visual impact and to cause the spread of weeds.

Litter Management in Tasmania –Legislative Reform - Issues and Options Paper
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so do you know understand that fruits and vegetables do not take 5 years to decompose in nature?

or is the science of "keepbritaintidy.com" better proof than peer reviewed journals and video evidence?

meh, fundies gonna fund...




ps- id advise starting a "post your favorite littering laws" thread for your new interest. should be fun and never-ending.

the internet: where a lady in France posts littering laws in Australia to prove Banana peels damage the environment

Not necessarily. There are lots of situations where that sort of rubbish ruins nature. Go work on a fruit orchard for a while. Go live in a small town and work with the local council. Do some research. You'll get a whole different perspective on things.




I don't know what the people in India do. I've never been there. Have you?


As for ancient cultures, most of them used middens. So it would appear that people did not just scatter their rubbish around like a bunch of slobs.

Definition, just in case you don't know what a midden is: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/midden

Well ... go for it. Post yours. I posted mine.

Only in the 41 do you have a thread where people are arguing about who is better at not littering.

of course, the problem with orchards is that they are not natural. agriculture/ agrarian societies do a better job of "ruining" nature, in comparison. selecting which foods to grow based upon marketability results in drastically eliminating much of the genetic diversity from foods. Are there negative effects?
Well, anyone ever hear of the Ireland Potato Never-Ending Buffet.

some reading
https://www.odi.org.uk/resources/docs/2977.pdf

All we need now is to have someone post a comment that is pro-littering to take it to another level.

yup

I'm ok with banana peels discretely tossed under a bush or out of sight in the weeds. Here is the lush northeast things breakdown quickly. I'm sure there are more arid & urban situations where it's better not to toss them.

This.

There's a path through the woods near my house that my son and I walk on sometimes (rode my KHS on it once before "hybridizing" it). You'd be appalled at some of the junk I've seen back there. Old tires, steel car wheels, even an old washing machine sitting up amongst the trees and brush. If anything a banana peel or two decomposing into the soil might help things a bit.