Carbon Damage. Thoughts? (pics)
11-30-12 | 03:54 PM
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Surly can be fixed, don't let the carbon weave thats showing get moisture in it.
Take it to a carbon repair shop and have it fixed in california you have a few options around.
https://www.carbonframerepair.com
https://spydercomposites.com
And the ones mentioned above so you have choices.
Take it to a carbon repair shop and have it fixed in california you have a few options around.
https://www.carbonframerepair.com
https://spydercomposites.com
And the ones mentioned above so you have choices.
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11-30-12 | 03:57 PM
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I certainly wouldn't get a new frame. Carbon can be repaired to be stronger than it was before if you go to the right place. Major metro areas have shops that repair carbon. You could also sent it out to Calfee or somewhere similar. A repair would be much cheaper than a frame.
11-30-12 | 03:59 PM
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Not sure why every person who rides a carbon frame does not go out and get a chaincatcher the day they get the frame and before they go on their first ride. It is cheap insurance against stuff like that happening, and it can happen to any geared drivetrain.
11-30-12 | 05:28 PM
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11-30-12 | 06:50 PM
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First, I am sorry about the "ouchie" to your bike. Is that what happened to Schleck when Contador passed him?
Second, after looking at your pictures, I ordered 2 K-Edge chain catchers.
Third, you may have already answered this, but how how do you gomuphill and not downhill. Inside joke?
Good luck man!
Second, after looking at your pictures, I ordered 2 K-Edge chain catchers.
Third, you may have already answered this, but how how do you gomuphill and not downhill. Inside joke?
Good luck man!
11-30-12 | 06:54 PM
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+1 ^ This
Don't disassemble your entire bike, unless they require it!
11-30-12 | 07:42 PM
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If you are really concerned about money I do believe you can do all this in the comfort of your house or garage. Disassembling to the point of just a frame will require a fair amount of tools, more to reassemble then disassemble. But it is not that hard. Epoxys and Resins should do the trick although it is messy.
If it were my bike I would just keep riding it though.
It looks ugly but carbon is pretty resilient.
If it were my bike I would just keep riding it though.
It looks ugly but carbon is pretty resilient.
11-30-12 | 09:07 PM
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EDIT: The chaincatcher protects the frame by catching the chain if it is thrown inside the smallest chainring and guiding it back to the ring. Sometimes even a perfectly adjusted drivetrain throws the chain and then it can jam, causing gouges like what the OP experienced. There are different styles of chaincatchers, for both clamp-on and braze-on derailleurs.
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12-01-12 | 03:14 AM
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I expect this was caused by good old "chain suck" where the chain sticks to the ring at the bottom and is drawn UP causing it to jam between the chain ring and chain stay. often caused by the rear mech tension being too high combined with worn rings and chain but can happen to anyone
A chain catcher is designed to prevent the chain being thrown off of the top of the small ring and falling DOWN. The catcher will simply guide the chain back on to the ring. This is what Schleck needed in the TDF to prevent his chain coming off.
A chain catcher wont prevent or do anything at all for chain suck. It is quite hard to drop a chain and get it jammed between the chain stay unless you back pedal after it is dropped.
Therefore if you want to avoid "doing a Schleck" buiy a chain catcher. If you want the best chance of avoiding chain suck and damaging your frame like this, keep your chain and rings in good condition.
The rest is luck
A chain catcher is designed to prevent the chain being thrown off of the top of the small ring and falling DOWN. The catcher will simply guide the chain back on to the ring. This is what Schleck needed in the TDF to prevent his chain coming off.
A chain catcher wont prevent or do anything at all for chain suck. It is quite hard to drop a chain and get it jammed between the chain stay unless you back pedal after it is dropped.
Therefore if you want to avoid "doing a Schleck" buiy a chain catcher. If you want the best chance of avoiding chain suck and damaging your frame like this, keep your chain and rings in good condition.
The rest is luck
12-01-12 | 03:33 AM
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Even if your frame is metal, the chain can dig deep gouges in the bottom bracket shell/chainstays which is a)unsightly and b) can be a stress point for future failure of the metal...no reason not to have one no matter what your frame is made of.
EDIT: The chaincatcher protects the frame by catching the chain if it is thrown inside the smallest chainring and guiding it back to the ring. Sometimes even a perfectly adjusted drivetrain throws the chain and then it can jam, causing gouges like what the OP experienced. There are different styles of chaincatchers, for both clamp-on and braze-on derailleurs.
EDIT: The chaincatcher protects the frame by catching the chain if it is thrown inside the smallest chainring and guiding it back to the ring. Sometimes even a perfectly adjusted drivetrain throws the chain and then it can jam, causing gouges like what the OP experienced. There are different styles of chaincatchers, for both clamp-on and braze-on derailleurs.
And a chain can drop for a myriad of reasons, not necessarily from slack. I have dropped a chain from hitting an unexpected jarring pothole before.
Chaincatcher is a no-brainer, folks!
12-02-12 | 01:42 AM
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I expect this was caused by good old "chain suck" where the chain sticks to the ring at the bottom and is drawn UP causing it to jam between the chain ring and chain stay. often caused by the rear mech tension being too high combined with worn rings and chain but can happen to anyone
A chain catcher is designed to prevent the chain being thrown off of the top of the small ring and falling DOWN. The catcher will simply guide the chain back on to the ring. This is what Schleck needed in the TDF to prevent his chain coming off.
A chain catcher wont prevent or do anything at all for chain suck. It is quite hard to drop a chain and get it jammed between the chain stay unless you back pedal after it is dropped.
Therefore if you want to avoid "doing a Schleck" buiy a chain catcher. If you want the best chance of avoiding chain suck and damaging your frame like this, keep your chain and rings in good condition.
The rest is luck
A chain catcher is designed to prevent the chain being thrown off of the top of the small ring and falling DOWN. The catcher will simply guide the chain back on to the ring. This is what Schleck needed in the TDF to prevent his chain coming off.
A chain catcher wont prevent or do anything at all for chain suck. It is quite hard to drop a chain and get it jammed between the chain stay unless you back pedal after it is dropped.
Therefore if you want to avoid "doing a Schleck" buiy a chain catcher. If you want the best chance of avoiding chain suck and damaging your frame like this, keep your chain and rings in good condition.
The rest is luck
12-02-12 | 12:09 PM
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So my chain dropped and i was just trying to shift it back on, which usually works fine, but this time it got stuck and chewed up my frame. I put some clear nail polish on it to keep water out and have been riding it around but i was just wondering what everyones thoughts on this were. Luckily all of my riding is uphill, so if it does fail i wont be flying down a mountain at top speed.
However, one way that it might help would be to lock any frayed fibers together and minimize problems for you if you happened to touch it.
12-02-12 | 04:28 PM
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@Crimsonghost
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes and sadly we (Ruckus Components) have seen a lot of this type of damage. Frames with extremely large and beefy chainstays sadly take a lot of this type of damage, but you are in luck because it is a fairly straight-forward repair. Often the big difference in the quoted price from the carbon fiber repair businesses is whether they include paint and clearcoat or charge hourly on top of that. It is best to get it repaired and fixed up and most places offer a pretty speedy turn-around at this point. Roughly we are around 2 week turn-around and $350 for this type of repair and that includes full paint and clearcoat restorations. If you have any follow-up questions feel free to shoot me an email at shawn@ruckuscomp.com
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Sorry to hear of your misfortunes and sadly we (Ruckus Components) have seen a lot of this type of damage. Frames with extremely large and beefy chainstays sadly take a lot of this type of damage, but you are in luck because it is a fairly straight-forward repair. Often the big difference in the quoted price from the carbon fiber repair businesses is whether they include paint and clearcoat or charge hourly on top of that. It is best to get it repaired and fixed up and most places offer a pretty speedy turn-around at this point. Roughly we are around 2 week turn-around and $350 for this type of repair and that includes full paint and clearcoat restorations. If you have any follow-up questions feel free to shoot me an email at shawn@ruckuscomp.com
Shawn Small
Chief Engineer | Ruckus Components | rethinking carbon
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12-02-12 | 05:35 PM
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This is great if you drop your chain from the top. If you get "chain-suck" from the bottom, as the OP's photos depict, the resulting damage will happen.
I use the Kedge for dropping the chain, but it won't do **** for chain-suck. I've found few products that address this issue, and have devised my own protector for the rare occasion it does suck up.
Worn chains, chain rings and mal-adjusted derailleurs are the most common causes for chain suck, but who wants to risk it happening once! A picture is worth a thousand words.
I use the Kedge for dropping the chain, but it won't do **** for chain-suck. I've found few products that address this issue, and have devised my own protector for the rare occasion it does suck up.
Worn chains, chain rings and mal-adjusted derailleurs are the most common causes for chain suck, but who wants to risk it happening once! A picture is worth a thousand words.
12-02-12 | 05:47 PM
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Only takes once.
12-02-12 | 06:09 PM
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Well I said "barely" but just reading this thread, i'm getting that catcher you linked. But chain suck on a road bike? My guess is if you are riding a carbon road bike, your junk is not that whacked out to get any chainsuck.
12-02-12 | 06:09 PM
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I expect this was caused by good old "chain suck" where the chain sticks to the ring at the bottom and is drawn UP causing it to jam between the chain ring and chain stay. often caused by the rear mech tension being too high combined with worn rings and chain but can happen to anyone
A chain catcher is designed to prevent the chain being thrown off of the top of the small ring and falling DOWN. The catcher will simply guide the chain back on to the ring. This is what Schleck needed in the TDF to prevent his chain coming off.
A chain catcher wont prevent or do anything at all for chain suck. It is quite hard to drop a chain and get it jammed between the chain stay unless you back pedal after it is dropped.
Therefore if you want to avoid "doing a Schleck" buiy a chain catcher. If you want the best chance of avoiding chain suck and damaging your frame like this, keep your chain and rings in good condition.
The rest is luck
A chain catcher is designed to prevent the chain being thrown off of the top of the small ring and falling DOWN. The catcher will simply guide the chain back on to the ring. This is what Schleck needed in the TDF to prevent his chain coming off.
A chain catcher wont prevent or do anything at all for chain suck. It is quite hard to drop a chain and get it jammed between the chain stay unless you back pedal after it is dropped.
Therefore if you want to avoid "doing a Schleck" buiy a chain catcher. If you want the best chance of avoiding chain suck and damaging your frame like this, keep your chain and rings in good condition.
The rest is luck
Ive been looking at my rings and they do seem to have some more wear then I'm used to seeing. I also wasn't happy with my last tune up. So I'm sure that has something to do with it.